Canon officially announces the Canon EOS R6 Mark II, Canon RF 135mm f/1.8L IS USM and Canon Speedlite EL-5

[fox40phil]

And VAT is about 20% in Europe.
Free (almost...) healthcare in Europe has a price.
I'd rather pay more for a new camera every few years...

There is nothing free.... I’m paying each month 220-250€ for healthcare. And there are many private healthcare things to pay separate! Don’t believe this „free“ shit!

To the camera...
Still has heavy rolling shutter... HEAVY disappointment!!
My RP has it, my 10 month old R6 has it, my 2 months old R7 has it....
Many new cameras since end of 2019....
I wouldn’t buy another one for 3.000€ WITH annoying rolling shutter!!!

The burst mode is useless with rolling shutter!!! I see this at the R7 for birds at the start of flying... looks horrible!!

 

[entoman]

I know they are the biggest market but other brands here in Australia don’t charge insane amounts, it’s only Canon. They block third party lenses and charge stupidly high amounts for both EF and RF lenses whereas other brands like Sony charge nearly half the price so pretty hard to justify it.

You may be directing your complaint at the wrong source - I believe that the prices are not dictated by Canon the manufacturer, but rather by the distributor in Australia, i.e. Canon Australia.

 

[entoman]

Long warranties give piece of mind and a competitive differentiator. Things do wear over time... cars are a good analogy here and also for the second hand market if the warranty is transferable.

The other thing to consider is that Canon released firmware allowing higher temperature recording which generally does reduce semiconductor lifespan. The extended warranty will cover my use of that feature which is nice... ~3 years to go

I don't think cars are a good analogy at all - cars have engines, suspension, bearings etc that wear out. Cameras are largely solid state electronics and its very rare for anything to wear out. Either they work or they're DOA. Long warranties give peace of mind, but their value is psychological rather than actual. The only "warranty" of any real value is the (typically) 14 day "no questions asked" return and refund policy (which is a legal requirement in most countries, not a warranty).

 

[kcimer]

I hate that the feel of the removable grip is different than the main grip. It's larger, the button placements are all different, and the biggest thing is that the joystick is in a completely different and awkward position. I've never held a camera with an integrated grip, but looking at the images of the R3 it looks like closer in size to the main grip. The buttons and dial are more closely matched, and the joystick for sure is in a better position on the R3.

I would love to have one regular R5 (But with a grip extension like they made for the RP), and one R5 with an integrated grip as my two bodies.

As it is though, I'm very appreciative that Canon designed one grip that can be swapped between the R5 and R6, and that they didn't required a separate grip for each.

Yeah, first few times using the grip I had to put the camera away from my eyes and look for jostick :-D In 1D series vertical and horizontal layout is completely same. I had II-s, III-s and X.

 

[koenkooi]

You may be directing your complaint at the wrong source - I believe that the prices are not dictated by Canon the manufacturer, but rather by the distributor in Australia, i.e. Canon Australia.

But Canon has a global policy of enforcing MAP, which is why you virtually never see a single shop offering a discount, publicly. This is why canonpricewatch exists, they try to match you to a dealer with non-public discounts.

 

[AlanF]

You may be directing your complaint at the wrong source - I believe that the prices are not dictated by Canon the manufacturer, but rather by the distributor in Australia, i.e. Canon Australia.

Canon UK price is dictated by Canon EU. But, can you believe that Canon headquarters have no power over their subsidiaries?

 

[entoman]

Canon UK price is dictated by Canon EU. But, can you believe that Canon headquarters have no power over their subsidiaries?

Canon HQ are only interested in shifting the largest number of bodies and lenses possible. I think the subsidiaries largely dictate the retail prices, based on what they think they can get away with in the local market economies. The only people who could give a factual statement on this are Canon and their subsidiaries, but I suspect that neither would be willing to comment.

 

[entoman]

That's all it is. Complete firmware updates. An antique image sensor that is not even a BSI CMOS. A plain CMOS sensor. If you're impressed with firmware coding and 40fps electronic shutter only, waste your money. Any tech savy person knows the difference betweeen hardware and firmware. Heck Nikon did a recent firmware update to its Z9 and stated that its a entirely new camera.

You appear to be more interested in technology than in photography. I'd suggest that most enthusiasts and pros only care about the end result, and it matters not a toss to them whether it is achieved by "plain CMOS" or by BSI or stacked technology. As for the Z9, I'd guess that most users are extremely pleased that firmware updates have resulted in improvements good enough to warrant the "entirely new camera" hype.

 

[AlanF]

Canon HQ are only interested in shifting the largest number of bodies and lenses possible. I think the subsidiaries largely dictate the retail prices, based on what they think they can get away with in the local market economies. The only people who could give a factual statement on this are Canon and their subsidiaries, but I suspect that neither would be willing to comment.

Does having higher prices in the UK shift more bodies and lenses? I think not.

 

[abforums]

When does it actually start shipping?
Will a preorder at a dealer like BH ship around the same time as canon or will canon hold all other dealer orders before they exhaust their own?
Any past trends?

 

[entoman]

Does having higher prices in the UK shift more bodies and lenses? I think not.

Prior to Brexit , Canon Europe set the prices across the EU including the UK, and any differences in prices between the various EU countries would have been the result of local taxes (VAT, purchase taxes).

I don't claim to be fully familiar with the facts, but I'd assume that the high UK prices were due to our tax laws. Canon Europe would presumably have set the prices on the basis of what they thought the market would tolerate.

What happens to VAT on luxury/leisure goods in the current economic climate is anyone's guess, but it's unlikely to be good news.

The moral of this story is simple - buy grey market and don't worry about worthless warranties - a policy which I think you also adopt.

 

[scyrene]

Prior to Brexit , Canon Europe set the prices across the EU including the UK, and any differences in prices between the various EU countries would have been the result of local taxes (VAT, purchase taxes).

I don't claim to be fully familiar with the facts, but I'd assume that the high UK prices were due to our tax laws. Canon Europe would presumably have set the prices on the basis of what they thought the market would tolerate.

What happens to VAT on luxury/leisure goods in the current economic climate is anyone's guess, but it's unlikely to be good news.

The moral of this story is simple - buy grey market and don't worry about worthless warranties - a policy which I think you also adopt.

I think the point Alan makes is, it must be a Canon policy because the price difference is less with other brands. If it were a structural issue due to tax or whatever, it would be common to other camera manufacturers too.

 

[entoman]

I think the point Alan makes is, it must be a Canon policy because the price difference is less with other brands. If it were a structural issue due to tax or whatever, it would be common to other camera manufacturers too.

Maybe the problem is that people (in the UK) just seem to be prepared to pay more to get a Canon product? I rate Canon products higher (for my own personal use) than Sony or Nikon, but I shop around and invariably find that it's significantly cheaper (and almost as quick) to buy grey.

 

[SHAMwow]

I hate that the feel of the removable grip is different than the main grip. It's larger, the button placements are all different, and the biggest thing is that the joystick is in a completely different and awkward position. I've never held a camera with an integrated grip, but looking at the images of the R3 it looks like closer in size to the main grip. The buttons and dial are more closely matched, and the joystick for sure is in a better position on the R3.

I would love to have one regular R5 (But with a grip extension like they made for the RP), and one R5 with an integrated grip as my two bodies.

As it is though, I'm very appreciative that Canon designed one grip that can be swapped between the R5 and R6, and that they didn't required a separate grip for each.

I know it sounds so silly, but the offset of the grip just bugs me too much, along with the joystick placement. Wish I knew what forced them into that design. I held it at a shop and just couldn't justify the price when its like that.

 

[dsburk0203]

Good luck with the inferior color science, crappy ergonomics and dust on sensor issues!

Personally I prefer the ergonomics of the A7IV (matter of preference) as well as the dial/button setup (custom buttons and modes programmable in photo and video and I can power the camera on and quickly change shooting modes with one hand where as the R6 mark II will still require a 2 hand change and shooting hybrid sports that absolutely matters), shutter priority in video, and the R6 color science is not any better than the A7IV, not any worse either. As a matter of fact, as a hybrid sports shooter I have presets for certain gyms that I shoot in and I was able to use my R6 presets on the A7IV raw files with a little tweaking and they look just as good if not better, and I shoot raw so color science is a bit of a moot point. S-cinetone is very nice for 10-bit color when I want to be lazy (aka no grading).

Dust on sensor? It has the same feature that the R6 does to cover the sensor at shut off. Might do your research next time, plus I never said A7IV was superior to R6 Mark II (from experience I find it to be much better than the R6 mark I IMO), I just said I am not disappointed about my decision based on the specs. Had their been something jaw-dropping (I was hoping there would be), I might have returned my A7IV for the R6 Mark II, as it is I will stay with what I have and buy some excellent third party glass to go with it.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I hate that the feel of the removable grip is different than the main grip. It's larger, the button placements are all different, and the biggest thing is that the joystick is in a completely different and awkward position. I've never held a camera with an integrated grip, but looking at the images of the R3 it looks like closer in size to the main grip. The buttons and dial are more closely matched, and the joystick for sure is in a better position on the R3.

For me, it's not just the button placement but the feel of holding the grip. The accessory grips extend in front of the camera like the regular grip, which makes sense because your fingers need to wrap around it, but also in back of the camera, which is necessary for the grip to accommodate the pair of transversely-oriented batteries, but makes the grip too wide to be comfortable. On the integrated grip bodies, holding in portrait orientation is much more comfortable for me.

 

[Juangrande]

I've seen a few YouTube "influencers" request this setup as they wanted to be able to turn the camera on and shoot with one hand.

Like who, Jason Lanier? Lol.

 

[Johnw]

I think the subsidiaries largely dictate the retail prices, based on what they think they can get away with in the local market economies.

The price is set to maximize revenue, yes. But that doesn’t really make Canon any different from any other corp in that respect.

Does having higher prices in the UK shift more bodies and lenses? I think not.

I would say he erred when he stated that Canon HQ is interested in shifting the largest number of units. I would instead say that Canon HQ is interested in maximizing revenue (and thus profit). The optimal price point to maximize revenue may be higher in different economies even if that results in lower unit sales.

Revenue = price x quantity demanded at that price

 

[Johnw]

Maybe the problem is that people (in the UK) just seem to be prepared to pay more to get a Canon product?

That’s exactly it, imo. Canon has calculated that the quantity demanded in the UK does not seem to have fallen off much with the increased prices. So they’ll take slightly lower unit sales but a higher margin per unit which will add up to more revenue and profit overall.

 

[Juangrande]

Probably not worth the upgrade for an existing R6 user, but great if you don't own one already. People who brought an R6 within the last 3 months or so would likely be annoyed at this announcement.

I wonder if an R5 II will be coming soon? I think the second generation will be the one where the main issues such as random freezing will be fixed.

I wouldn’t call the freezing a main issue since it’s not affecting all the R5’s must’ve been a bad batch # I’ve yet to experience it.