Here’s the full list of gear Canon will announce on September 5

[ken]

Or EOS R might just be spec'd like a 6D2 and the YAPODFC folks will howl like banshees. We'll see.

- A

I suspect it will be 6D2 specs for the first model released, but a higher resolution+dual-card model drops early next year. That would be fine. We'd see real-world reviews of the first model (giving us some insight into just how strong they'll be here, how sexy the EF solution really is) before the second becomes available, and the pre-orders for the second model will set some kind of record. (Well... maybe not in a shrinking market). But this is where my "hopes and dreams" lay.

 

[ahsanford]

I believe it stands for M.[ount] ADAP[ter].

otherwise it would probably read "EF-M" - even in google translate from Chinese to Japanese to English to German.

Yeah, half the buzz here are specs of the lenses and a tell of IBIS -- it's a mic drop there, beyond expectations surely -- but the other half is not seeing the words 'EF needs an adaptor to work'. If something was lost in translation or left off the list that Nokishita received and EF does in fact need an adaptor, it'll be fine but a lot of heavily vested EF folks will be bummed.

- A

 

[tiggy@mac.com]

Who knows? But if you think about it, offering a macro lens in even f/2.8 is ridiculous. No rational shooter uses f/2.8 for their depth of field when using it for close-up shooting. Having f/1.8 is just as useless as f/2.8 for real macro shooting. On the other hand, in the same way the 100L macro makes a decent portrait lens when shot at f/2.8, I would think a 35 macro would be a nice general-purpose lens with an option to shoot at f/1.8.

Of course, I'm not just making guesses, I'm guessing at rumors... so I'm happy to be corrected once anyone knows an actual answer.

The Tamron 35 f/1.8 is practically a macro. It's useful as a dual-use carry-around lens. I like it for hikes where I'm using 1.8 sometimes and f/11 others. Wouldn't be shocked if Canon actually has Tamron manufacture parts of it or licenses that design, as it beats the pants off of most others. Sony did this with a few from that Tamron series.

 

[ahsanford]

I suspect it will be 6D2 specs for the first model released, but a higher resolution+dual-card model drops early next year. That would be fine. We'd see real-world reviews of the first model (giving us some insight into just how strong they'll be here, how sexy the EF solution really is) before the second becomes available, and the pre-orders for the second model will set some kind of record. (Well... maybe not in a shrinking market). But this is where my "hopes and dreams" lay.

Yeah, but the 6D2 wasn't initially released against the headwind of two 24x10+ cameras packing 4K + IBIS + EXMOR sensors.

The 6D2 spec -- esp. the actual sensor itself -- simply has to be improved upon with this first EOS R model.

- A

 

[tiggy@mac.com]

Can we talk about the mirrorless body naming?

Worried about the initial body just being the EOS R (like EOS M's original body) and it gives us zero tell on future good/better/best segmentation.

For instance, if it comes out, is called EOS R, has spec somewhere between 6D2 and 5D4... what's the next FF mirrorless body going to be called? EOS R2? Wil that be a different spec'd price point or just a sequel?

Curious if they will try this same naming game plan as EOS M (R5 / R50 / R100) when there are so many 'high end' single digit lines (1-series, 5-series, 6-series, etc.) that don't fit into that format well.

- A

I think the naming conventions are so broken, they don't matter any more so long as they are unique. I've stopped trying to derive information such as level, version, etc. from the names. It is quite apparent no one sat down in a room in 1993 and said, "Here is the system we're going to use." Instead, a product manager and their boss - who inevitably think their model is the most significant in a decade - come up with something that is slightly jarring or breaks the mold because that suits their impression of their work. We'd have to see Canon release 5 or 6 new cameras that conform to a consistent convention to indicate that they've stopped doing random stuff. Not holding breath.

 

[bks54]

The Adaptor for the EOS M is called EF-EOS M adaptor. EF lenses can be adapted onto the EOS M mount
M.ADAP R could then mean M lenses can be adapted onto the R mount.

Frank

Nokishita says (approximately):

• "Since only "M.ADAP R" "M.ADAP R ND" "M.ADAP R PL" is written in the simple order form, the official name is unknown"

They added the (ount) to the M so that is probably just a guess on their part.

I am struggling to understand why Canon would bother to have 3 adapters for EF-M lenses to the new camera in their initial release. I don't think many people would need to do that. If you have EF-M lenses then you are likely to have a matched camera to mount them on, and there is not a lot of incentive to mount an APS-C lens on a full frame camera. Much more likely is that these three adaptors fit the new RF lenses to other cameras, and the EOS M series is the probable target. Of course they could be for mounting EF lenses on the EOS R but given all we have been talking about for days, I don't expect this to be true.

 

[ahsanford]

I think the naming conventions are so broken, they don't matter any more so long as they are unique. I've stopped trying to derive information such as level, version, etc. from the names. It is quite apparent no one sat down in a room in 1993 and said, "Here is the system we're going to use." Instead, a product manager and their boss - who inevitably think their model is the most significant in a decade - come up with something that is slightly jarring or breaks the mold because that suits their impression of their work. We'd have to see Canon release 5 or 6 new cameras that conform to a consistent convention to indicate that they've stopped doing random stuff. Not holding breath.

In crop, I agree with you. It's the naming wild west out there.

In FF, I think there's far more thought put in than you might be giving Canon credit. 5DS doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but it shrewdly creates two premium price points for Canon and does not put high res vs. all arounder on dramatically different shelves. I think that's pretty clever in a world of good/better/best from the competitors.

- A

 

[ken]

Yeah, but the 6D2 wasn't initially released against the headwind of two 24x10+ cameras packing 4K + IBIS + EXMOR sensors.

The 6D2 spec -- esp. the actual sensor itself -- simply has to be improved upon with this first EOS R model.

- A

Agreed! I'm thinking 6D2 resolution, better sensor, single memory card, 4K (but not earth-shattering frame-rate, cropped maybe more than people wish). I think it will have IBIS based on the lens lineup as others have mentioned. So "better than a 6D2" if the AF can match the mirror-slapper's dedicated AF sensors. (Low-light AF... I hope it matches 6D2!)

Just guessing. I know I shouldn't. But it's hard not to be a bit excited.

 

[tiggy@mac.com]

13 pages in about nine hours. Wow. This rumor is exciting.

I have a 16" tall monitor. There are five scrollings per Canon Rumors page. That makes for 1040 inches (your resolution, etc. will make this different for you). In 9 hours that translates to about .002 miles per hour. Doesn't seem fast, but it's the first thread I've seen to make it onto the scale.

 

[bks54]

The Tamron 35 f/1.8 is practically a macro. It's useful as a dual-use carry-around lens. I like it for hikes where I'm using 1.8 sometimes and f/11 others. Wouldn't be shocked if Canon actually has Tamron manufacture parts of it or licenses that design, as it beats the pants off of most others. Sony did this with a few from that Tamron series.

Also, Zeiss is rumored to release a close focus Batis 40/2 for Sony soon. Seems like there is a space to compete in.

 

[ahsanford]

Agreed! I'm thinking 6D2 resolution, better sensor, single memory card, 4K (but not earth-shattering frame-rate, cropped maybe more than people wish). I think it will have IBIS based on the lens lineup as others have mentioned. So "better than a 6D2" if the AF can match the mirror-slapper's dedicated AF sensors. (Low-light AF... I hope it matches 6D2!)

Just guessing. I know I shouldn't. But it's hard not to be a bit excited.

Total guesses to follow.

Certainty or near-certainty:

• Proper on-chip ADC sensor (your guess is as good as mine on resolution, the 26 MP of the 6D2 is fine in this price point)
• DPAF (at least, could have some next-gen version of it here)
• Faster fps than 6D2, say 8 or so
• Some form of 4K
• Some form of focus peaking
• Tilty-flippy + touch

Less certain:

• Two cards
• 4K uses DPAF
• Eye AF (M50 has it...)
• E-shutter option for ultra-fast shutter speeds or increased framerate

Doubt it:

• No AA filter
• Better low light AF than the 6D2
• Faster sync speed than the 6D2
• Better buffer or battery life than the 6D2

- A

 

[herion]

Maybe not when it's just released, but in a time, it'll get more MPs growing. Because R may stand for Replicating pixels...

Like the Replicators in Stargate SG-1???

 

[ahsanford]

Total guesses to follow.

In other words, it's a 6D 'Mark 2.5'

- A

 

[Deleted member 378664]

Nokishita says (approximately):

• "Since only "M.ADAP R" "M.ADAP R ND" "M.ADAP R PL" is written in the simple order form, the official name is unknown"

They added the (ount) to the M so that is probably just a guess on their part.

I am struggling to understand why Canon would bother to have 3 adapters for EF-M lenses to the new camera in their initial release. I don't think many people would need to do that. If you have EF-M lenses then you are likely to have a matched camera to mount them on, and there is not a lot of incentive to mount an APS-C lens on a full frame camera. Much more likely is that these three adaptors fit the new RF lenses to other cameras, and the EOS M series is the probable target. Of course they could be for mounting EF lenses on the EOS R but given all we have been talking about for days, I don't expect this to be true.

agreed, sounds reasonable to me. I didn't thought about the fact that it doesn't make a lot of sense to use APS-C lenses on a FF body.

 

[amorse]

Total guesses to follow.

Certainty or near-certainty:

• Proper on-chip ADC sensor (your guess is as good as mine on resolution, the 26 MP of the 6D2 is fine in this price point)
• DPAF (at least, could have some next-gen version of it here)
• Faster fps than 6D2, say 8 or so
• Some form of 4K
• Some form of focus peaking
• Tilty-flippy + touch

Less certain:

• Two cards
• 4K uses DPAF
• Eye AF (M50 has it...)
• E-shutter option for ultra-fast shutter speeds or increased framerate

Doubt it:

• No AA filter
• Better low light AF than the 6D2
• Faster sync speed than the 6D2
• Better buffer or battery life than the 6D2

- A

I don't know, the rumoured specs from a few days ago were as follows:

• 28MP full frame sensor
• Dual Pixel Auto Focus
• IBIS (In Body Image Stabilisation)
• 10fps shooting
• 4k@30fps
• 1080p@60fps
• Priced $1,900

I think they need at least 10 fps here - even the M50 has 10 fps with AF locked, and 7.4 fps with AF active.

Well. Need is a strong word. I think their APS-C cameras have set some precedent to push up toward 10. Also, I hope you're right with the on-chip ADC sensor!

 

[dtaylor]

Nokishita says (approximately):

• "Since only "M.ADAP R" "M.ADAP R ND" "M.ADAP R PL" is written in the simple order form, the official name is unknown"

They added the (ount) to the M so that is probably just a guess on their part.

I am struggling to understand why Canon would bother to have 3 adapters for EF-M lenses to the new camera in their initial release.

If it was just "M.ADAP R" I would assume EF-to-R adapter. But three adapters. None of which have the letters EF. One of which has PL which I would assume is PL mount. Another with ND which I would assume is neutral density.

Is it possible these are adapters for new R lenses to dedicated cine cameras? Is the R lens line going to be optimized for both mirrorless and cinema use?

(Apologies if this theory has been floated. I can't go through all 15 pages )

 

[Sibir Lupus]

In other words, it's a 6D 'Mark 2.5'

- A

For a possible sub $2,000 price point, that would still be pretty good overall .

 

[dtaylor]

For a possible sub $2,000 price point, that would still be pretty good overall .

Better if it's a new sensor with on-chip ADCs (better DR) and 4k that's not severely crippled like the M50.

 

[ahsanford]

I don't know, the rumoured specs from a few days ago were as follows:

• 28MP full frame sensor
• Dual Pixel Auto Focus
• IBIS (In Body Image Stabilisation)
• 10fps shooting
• 4k@30fps
• 1080p@60fps
• Priced $1,900

I think they need at least 10 fps here - even the M50 has 10 fps with AF locked, and 7.4 fps with AF active.

Well. Need is a strong word. I think their APS-C cameras have set some precedent to push up toward 10. Also, I hope you're right with the on-chip ADC sensor!

Ha, I forgot about that spec list -- I blew it off thinking it was for the M5 Mk II (i.e. that FF mirrorless wasn't coming this week).

It's not far off, but I haaaaaaaaaate fps levels being promised with stuff turned off. MLU for a faster 1DX2 performance I understand, but turning off AF, AE, etc. to claim higher fps should be banned.

- A

 

[AJ]

Did Canon ever file a patent for a 28-70/2 design? The only thing I can find is a Sony patent
https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-patents-a-new-fe-28-70mm-f2-0-lens/