Is a Canon EOS R7 Mark II coming this year? [CR2]

It’s just a confusion in language.
Sorry, but the confusion here is that you’re confused about the relevant concepts. Focal length is an intrinsic property of a lens, independent of the sensor behind it.

The “77mm camera’ in my iPhone 14 Pro doesn't have a 77mm lens. It’s a 9mm lens with a small sensor behind it.

If you want an APS-C lens that delivers something similar to the RF 100-400mm on a FF camera, buy the RF-S 55-210mm.
 
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Canon could split the line as they did with the XXD and 7D line, but they would need a new naming system as they inadvisedly used the 7 moniker. Of course the big question is what sort of spec sensor. A faster readout conventional sensor, or a stacked sensor, using their new patented stacked sensor technology, which will supposedly reduce production costs for the type of stacked sensor patented. We haven't got a clue whether that's actual tech nearing production or just something in development. Then there are big questions about sensor resolution. Self-evidently as Olympus (now OMD) and Fuji have shown, you can put stacked sensors in cropped camera bodies. This would make for an awesome high end crop body. We''ll have to see as there are too many unknowns. But there is now a niche for a higher end crop body, as Canon now have the long lenses to make it worthwhile. A lot of top and influential bird/nature shooters have used the R7 for the extra reach, but lamented it's shortcomings because of the slow read out sensor and bad rolling shutter. I don't think this talk about 5 year lifespans mean much, because the R6 mkII, shows Canon is willing to do something quick if the tech is available. I guess it all comes down the costs benefits of developing a special sensor for a crop body. Canon could do something, like switching mainly to stacked sensors, as it often uses the economy of scale type business model. It all depends on whether this new stacked sesnor technology, could reduce production costs to make it worthwhile for Canon.

Anyway, one thing is proven, that there really is a niche for crop sensors in the Canon R line.
 
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You miss the point. f = dia/fl. In apsc the when the sensor size reduces by 1/1.6 the dia goes down by 1/1.6 and so to keep f fixed the actual fl must reduce by 1/1.6 too. This is why telephoto lenses in camera phones r so small.
The terminology is also at fault. If I put a ff 100-400 on apsc is delivers 160-640. If it had its actual focal length reduced by 1/1.6 it would be shorter (which is what I am talking about above) but still deliver 400 mm equivalent (not. 640). In what I said in my post above I am talking about equivalent of 100- 400 delivered not 160- 640 which would need the same actual physical fl in mm as a ff 100-400. To deliver the equivalent of the same f number and the same fl on Apsc, everything scales down by 1/1.6 - dia and fl.
I think we r in agreement. Its just a confusion in language.
So what you are suggesting is not make a 100-400 APS-C specific lens, you make actually make a 65-280mm lens and sell that as '100-400 equivalent'. You seem to be confusing magnification and field of view: in magnification terms, a 280mm lens is a 280mm lens not a 400mm lens nd people buy these lenses for magnificaiton, not field of view.
 
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So what you are suggesting is not make a 100-400 APS-C specific lens, you make actually make a 65-280mm lens and sell that as '100-400 equivalent'. You seem to be confusing magnification and field of view: in magnification terms, a 280mm lens is a 280mm lens not a 400mm lens nd people buy these lenses for magnificaiton, not field of view.
Manufacturers tend to do that: eg Sony RX10 Mkiv
Focal length (f=)f=8.8-220mm
ANGLE OF VIEW (35MM FORMAT EQUIVALENT) 84deg.-4deg.10min. (24-600mm)

Also, when it comes to "reach" or resolving power, and not field of view, the Sony lens at its 220mm has the same resolving power as only a 400mm lens on the R5 as the R5 has 2.5x more pixels.
 
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You miss the point. f = dia/fl. In apsc the when the sensor size reduces by 1/1.6 the dia goes down by 1/1.6 and so to keep f fixed the actual fl must reduce by 1/1.6 too. This is why telephoto lenses in camera phones r so small.
The terminology is also at fault. If I put a ff 100-400 on apsc is delivers 160-640. If it had its actual focal length reduced by 1/1.6 it would be shorter (which is what I am talking about above) but still deliver 400 mm equivalent (not. 640). In what I said in my post above I am talking about equivalent of 100- 400 delivered not 160- 640 which would need the same actual physical fl in mm as a ff 100-400. To deliver the equivalent of the same f number and the same fl on Apsc, everything scales down by 1/1.6 - dia and fl.
I think we r in agreement. Its just a confusion in language.
It was far from clear that you were talking equivalency, but what I said still holds for telephoto lenses. You can scale a 320mm FF lens to 200mm and call it a "320mm equivalent APS-c lens" if you like, but the fact remains that it won't be much if any smaller than a 200 mm ff lens if it has any significant speed. There is also another aspect of equivalency that you are missing. An APS-c sensor (Canon) only has about 0.4x the area of a FF sensor, so if you want true equivalency, then that 200mm lens needs to be about 1.3 stops faster than the 320 mm FF for the same IQ and DOF as the FF. This is essentially what speed boosters do. They take all the light from that 320mm FF lens and put in in a smaller image circle and one stop faster for approximate APS-c equivalency. In the end, you still have exactly the same lens you had before with slightly different exit optics. Here you have a bigger lens feeding a smaller sensor (just the opposite of the teleconverter example I gave before). However, even if you optimize the 200mm lens for APS-c, it will still have the same objective diameter as the 320mm FF if it is truly equivalent. To paraphrase neuroanatomist, physics is a stone cold bitch.
 
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Manufacturers tend to do that: eg Sony RX10 Mkiv
Focal length (f=)f=8.8-220mm
ANGLE OF VIEW (35MM FORMAT EQUIVALENT) 84deg.-4deg.10min. (24-600mm)

Also, when it comes to "reach" or resolving power, and not field of view, the Sony lens at its 220mm has the same resolving power as only a 400mm lens on the R5 as the R5 has 2.5x more pixels.
Did you mean "at it's 600mm"?
 
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I've just booked flights to Hong Kong for a conference and will have a day or two at either end for a spot of bird photography. Do I travel with just a single piece of cabin luggage with the R7/RF 100-400mm in it or take the R5 or R7 with the RF 100-500 in a small allowable second bag? It's not a bad choice either way - we are so lucky now for light travel possibilities. (The big boy 200-800mm is not for this trip.)
My standard flight option is:
Scott eVest for bodies, batteries, chargers and smaller lenses etc = ~7-10kgs
Backpack with RF100-500 and PC = ~7kgs.
Repack backpack after checkin/security :)
Did it recently from Oz to JP/UK/FR/DK/NO/SW/SG but didn't take my underwater gear that trip. Fortunately, I have no issues to carry the weight.

Wife hates the vest but c'est la vie
 
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This is the first time I have heard about poor focusing issues on the R7 from people on here. Do the focusing issues only appear if your shooting at 30fps? Or does this happen in all situations?
I believe it happens at high frame rate in low contrast situation. Here's Duade Paton's experience .

He has a follow-up video which has more details
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It seems to be essentially a limitation of the camera.
 
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My standard flight option is:
Scott eVest for bodies, batteries, chargers and smaller lenses etc = ~7-10kgs
Backpack with RF100-500 and PC = ~7kgs.
Repack backpack after checkin/security :)
Did it recently from Oz to JP/UK/FR/DK/NO/SW/SG but didn't take my underwater gear that trip. Fortunately, I have no issues to carry the weight.

Wife hates the vest but c'est la vie
Choose airlines that don't weigh cabin luggage - I use BA and Easyjet locally and avoid Ryanair. I did take a vest on a trip to Borneo as the Malaysian airways weigh for the local leg. Mind you, apart from the weight advantage, BA now give Ryanair service at BA prices.
 
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The R7 is a surprisingly capable APS-C for what it costs. I would pay more to buy an updated R7 if it had better build quality and a better sensor with less rolling shutter and a much faster AF system. Everything on the current model is too flimsy and cheap feeling; even though that doesn't detract from the picture quality, it's not even close to the build quality on my 7D Mark II. It feels like a toy camera in comparison.
 
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Choose airlines that don't weigh cabin luggage - I use BA and Easyjet locally and avoid Ryanair. I did take a vest on a trip to Borneo as the Malaysian airways weigh for the local leg. Mind you, apart from the weight advantage, BA now give Ryanair service at BA prices.
My favorite is when they weigh your checked bags and they're too heavy, so they ask you to move something into your cabin luggage, as if the weight and balance of the aircraft are now unaffected by it.
 
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I believe it happens at high frame rate in low contrast situation. Here's Duade Paton's experience .

He has a follow-up video which has more details
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It seems to be essentially a limitation of the camera.
The R7 is a bit fiddly on AF. I think part of the issue is that it just doesn't focus very fast compared to a pro body. I've used both a Tamron 150-600mm with the EF to RF adapter and an RF100-500mm on my R7 and they are abominably slow focusing compared to using the same Tamron on my 5D MkIV. The Tamron on the 5D is one of the fastest focusing combinations I own. If I put that same lens on the R7 it's frustratingly slow.
 
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The R7 is a bit fiddly on AF. I think part of the issue is that it just doesn't focus very fast compared to a pro body. I've used both a Tamron 150-600mm with the EF to RF adapter and an RF100-500mm on my R7 and they are abominably slow focusing compared to using the same Tamron on my 5D MkIV. The Tamron on the 5D is one of the fastest focusing combinations I own. If I put that same lens on the R7 it's frustratingly slow.
Interesting. What's your experience with the Tamron 150-600mm on the R5, if any?
 
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