R1 Reviews

[neuroanatomist]

That might take a few months.

That’s why I have the generic one. I prefer the modular design mainly because I only rarely use the upright part of the L bracket (I use it far more often on the R8).

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Best Buy may be hammered with inventory intake this time of year. They always seem to have things day 1.

Hopefully you are correct. Would be nice to get it this week, I'm shooting a Nike qualifier next weekend.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Hopefully you are correct. Would be nice to get it this week, I'm shooting a Nike qualifier next weekend.

Just out of curiosity.. why did you purchase from Best Buy? Their card or another reason? I have never spoken to a soul there.

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Just out of curiosity.. why did you purchase from Best Buy? Their card or another reason? I have never spoken to a soul there.

At the time I could really use the ability to have 0 interest payments over 18 months making the sting of a $6200 camera more palatable, especially staring down the barrel of $42000/ semester of bachelor's degree for my son. He had not yet been offered a scholarship for college nor had he considered going elsewhere than UT (Tennessee). Had I known the current situation, I would have went full payment at BH instead. Hindsight and all that I guess. The other compelling reason is the 4 year protection plan I get for just being a member, if I break the camera I take what's left of it and they either get it fixed or hand me a new one.

Edit: I did the same thing with my R5M2 and received it on release day which is why I am starting to become concerned about how long it will take to get it to me, especially after the rollout of the R5M2.

 

[Deleted member 380853]

At the time I could really use the ability to have 0 interest payments over 18 months making the sting of a $6200 camera more palatable, especially staring down the barrel of $42000/ semester of bachelor's degree for my son. He had not yet been offered a scholarship for college nor had he considered going elsewhere than UT (Tennessee). Had I known the current situation, I would have went full payment at BH instead. Hindsight and all that I guess. The other compelling reason is the 4 year protection plan I get for just being a member, if I break the camera I take what's left of it and they either get it fixed or hand me a new one.

Edit: I did the same thing with my R5M2 and received it on release day which is why I am starting to become concerned about how long it will take to get it to me, especially after the rollout of the R5M2.

Same here, waiting on pre-purchase from BB. 2 yrs 0 interest and no tax in Oregon, etc. I think you have to pay in some way or another though for that 'protection plan" right?

 

[Canon Rumors]

At the time I could really use the ability to have 0 interest payments over 18 months making the sting of a $6200 camera more palatable, especially staring down the barrel of $42000/ semester of bachelor's degree for my son. He had not yet been offered a scholarship for college nor had he considered going elsewhere than UT (Tennessee). Had I known the current situation, I would have went full payment at BH instead. Hindsight and all that I guess. The other compelling reason is the 4 year protection plan I get for just being a member, if I break the camera I take what's left of it and they either get it fixed or hand me a new one.

Edit: I did the same thing with my R5M2 and received it on release day which is why I am starting to become concerned about how long it will take to get it to me, especially after the rollout of the R5M2.

Ok cool, Best Buy in Canada wasn't a pro dealer so I never really paid attention. I don't want a $10,000 TV, so a 0% store credit card bonus wasn't really a thought.

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Same here, waiting on pre-purchase from BB. 2 yrs 0 interest and no tax in Oregon, etc. I think you have to pay in some way or another though for that 'protection plan" right?

I have the top level of membership so I get it for all of my purchases, but you are correct, I have to pay an annual fee for that membership. I do purchase several items from them however so it's money well spent in my opinion. I even buy most of my glass from there for this reason.

Edit: I makes me feel a little better to see someone else who is waiting, perhaps they just received their shipment late and will get it sent out this week. When did you preorder your camera, if you don't mind my asking? I ordered mine while the presentation was going on.

 

[docsmith]

First off, this is not intended to be an elaborate test. Please take this for what it is, me playing with the R1 and R5 to begin to understand the differences in the cameras beyond the spec sheet and obvious (size/weight). I was thinking of not posting these and rerunning the test, but looking at the weather and my schedule, I am not sure when I will get another good chance, it could be tonight...it could be in a week.

In terms of resolution tests, I will be taking pictures of birds with each camera soon, but I have also been thinking another good test would be a planet. When I retake these, I will get out my 500 f/4 II w/TCs. But last night I set up a tripod and the RF 200-800 was available. Having just a few minutes before needing to head out I set up and fired off about 10-20 shots with each camera.

I give you Saturn.

RF 200-800 @ 800; 1/200, f/10, ISO 6400 on both the R1 and R5.

R1 minimal processing in LR (no sharpening)


R5 (minimal processing, no sharpening)


R5 with 30 on the "AI" denoise applied in LR.


These were the best images from each camera. I do want to note, there were a few high clouds and perhaps a bit more when I was testing the R1. That said, there might be a bit more resolution with the R5, but it is minimal, IMO. The images may also be lens limited, but that is actually one of the questions I want to have answered, the comparative performance with the RF 200-800 @ 800 mm. In addition to a resolution test, looking at these, it may be more of a noise test in that the R5 image needed to be cleaned up whereas the R1 looked pretty good at ISO 6400 (the blacks look great).

Just a preliminary test, like I said, I'll switch lenses and try to use the extra aperture to give me a bit more shutter speed/lower ISO settings in the next setup and hopefully get a perfectly clear night.

All these caveats aside for a second, I find it interesting that you can image Saturn with the R1 and RF 200-800 and that it looks as good as it does.

BTW, if interested, here is the uncropped version of the R1 image, the white dot just below mid-frame is Saturn. The R1 has plenty of resolution, IMO.

 

[AlanF]

First off, this is not intended to be an elaborate test. Please take this for what it is, me playing with the R1 and R5 to begin to understand the differences in the cameras beyond the spec sheet and obvious (size/weight). I was thinking of not posting these and rerunning the test, but looking at the weather and my schedule, I am not sure when I will get another good chance, it could be tonight...it could be in a week.

In terms of resolution tests, I will be taking pictures of birds with each camera soon, but I have also been thinking another good test would be a planet. When I retake these, I will get out my 500 f/4 II w/TCs. But last night I set up a tripod and the RF 200-800 was available. Having just a few minutes before needing to head out I set up and fired off about 10-20 shots with each camera.

I give you Saturn.

RF 200-800 @ 800; 1/200, f/10, ISO 6400 on both the R1 and R5.

R1 minimal processing in LR (no sharpening)
View attachment 221064

R5 (minimal processing, no sharpening)
View attachment 221065

R5 with 30 on the "AI" denoise applied in LR.
View attachment 221066

These were the best images from each camera. I do want to note, there were a few high clouds and perhaps a bit more when I was testing the R1. That said, there might be a bit more resolution with the R5, but it is minimal, IMO. The images may also be lens limited, but that is actually one of the questions I want to have answered, the comparative performance with the RF 200-800 @ 800 mm. In addition to a resolution test, looking at these, it may be more of a noise test in that the R5 image needed to be cleaned up whereas the R1 looked pretty good at ISO 6400 (the blacks look great).

Just a preliminary test, like I said, I'll switch lenses and try to use the extra aperture to give me a bit more shutter speed/lower ISO settings in the next setup and hopefully get a perfectly clear night.

All these caveats aside for a second, I find it interesting that you can image Saturn with the R1 and RF 200-800 and that it looks as good as it does.

BTW, if interested, here is the uncropped version of the R1 image, the white dot just below mid-frame is Saturn. The R1 has plenty of resolution, IMO.
View attachment 221067

Resolution usually means being able to resolve two close points or two parallel close lines next to each other. It's best done with charts that are designed for that purpose so that the spacings span a range of values or by using a slanted edge like in IMATEST. It also depends on factors such as light - an R7 will outresolve an R5 in bright light but not in poor lighting. It will also depend on the aperture of the lens. The. RF 200-800 at f/9 is both diffraction limited with the R5 sensor as well as being somewhat soft at 800mm. I would recommend the 500/4 without a TC for a test.

 

[R1-7D]

Initial comparison thoughts on the R1 vs R3:

• The R1 definitely focuses faster, and locks on target from a greater distance.
• Focus seems stickier overall.
• The R1 does better focusing on a very strongly backlit subject.
• 40 FPS is fast… I was use to 30 with the R3, but 40 seems almost excessive. In a 40-minute walk with my dog, I somehow managed to take just under 3,500 photos.
• Handling is about the same as the R3. The camera is definitely larger and heavier, but not so much so that it's noticeable or fatiguing during usage.
• Buffer seems to be a lot better than what Canon states in the manual; I haven’t been able to hit it yet, and I’ve done some long bursts. I was using the Pro Grade Digital 325GB Cobalt card.
• Noise performance, from my perspective, seems marginally better than the R3 at high ISO. It’s impressive, because the R3 was already so good.
• Metering and white balance seems to be drastically improved.
• Eye-Control seems to be a bit smoother now, but overall not that much different than the R3’s.
• The viewfinder is amazing. It’s enormous and just beautiful to look through.
• The R1 has a few more buttons that are illuminated in the dark.
• The new grip texture is nice, but I also like the R3’s. I don’t really have a preference between the two cameras’ grips.

Here are some shots from my first outing with the camera. All taken with the RF 85 f/1.2 at f/1.2.

 

[docsmith]

Resolution usually means being able to resolve two close points or two parallel close lines next to each other. It's best done with charts that are designed for that purpose so that the spacings span a range of values or by using a slanted edge like in IMATEST. It also depends on factors such as light - an R7 will outresolve an R5 in bright light but not in poor lighting. It will also depend on the aperture of the lens. The. RF 200-800 at f/9 is both diffraction limited with the R5 sensor as well as being somewhat soft at 800mm. I would recommend the 500/4 without a TC for a test.

Agreed.

Which reminds me, this weekend I noticed that TDP has updated their resolution charts to include the R1. Here is the R1 vs the R5 II. The review page that Bryan is already mostly complete is here.

I do like and can still differentiate sensor resolutions in tests like you describe and like those that I have seen you use. However, at the moment, I am more of testing out what the additional resolution means to me in real world shooting. And yes, I do occasionally shoot Saturn.

Here are some shots from my first outing with the camera. All taken with the RF 85 f/1.2 at f/1.2.

Beautiful images.

 

[AlanF]

First off, this is not intended to be an elaborate test. Please take this for what it is, me playing with the R1 and R5 to begin to understand the differences in the cameras beyond the spec sheet and obvious (size/weight). I was thinking of not posting these and rerunning the test, but looking at the weather and my schedule, I am not sure when I will get another good chance, it could be tonight...it could be in a week.

In terms of resolution tests, I will be taking pictures of birds with each camera soon, but I have also been thinking another good test would be a planet. When I retake these, I will get out my 500 f/4 II w/TCs. But last night I set up a tripod and the RF 200-800 was available. Having just a few minutes before needing to head out I set up and fired off about 10-20 shots with each camera.

I give you Saturn.

RF 200-800 @ 800; 1/200, f/10, ISO 6400 on both the R1 and R5.

R1 minimal processing in LR (no sharpening)
View attachment 221064

R5 (minimal processing, no sharpening)
View attachment 221065

R5 with 30 on the "AI" denoise applied in LR.
View attachment 221066

These were the best images from each camera. I do want to note, there were a few high clouds and perhaps a bit more when I was testing the R1. That said, there might be a bit more resolution with the R5, but it is minimal, IMO. The images may also be lens limited, but that is actually one of the questions I want to have answered, the comparative performance with the RF 200-800 @ 800 mm. In addition to a resolution test, looking at these, it may be more of a noise test in that the R5 image needed to be cleaned up whereas the R1 looked pretty good at ISO 6400 (the blacks look great).

Just a preliminary test, like I said, I'll switch lenses and try to use the extra aperture to give me a bit more shutter speed/lower ISO settings in the next setup and hopefully get a perfectly clear night.

All these caveats aside for a second, I find it interesting that you can image Saturn with the R1 and RF 200-800 and that it looks as good as it does.

BTW, if interested, here is the uncropped version of the R1 image, the white dot just below mid-frame is Saturn. The R1 has plenty of resolution, IMO.
View attachment 221067

Here are your R1 (top) and R5 images, cropped more so that I could see the images at the pixel level. The image on the R5 should be about 37% wider in terms of pixels than on the R1 sensor. If anything it is smaller. What's up doc?

 

[docsmith]

Here are your R1 (top) and R5 images, cropped more so that I could see the images at the pixel level. The image on the R5 should be about 37% wider in terms of pixels than on the R1 sensor. If anything it is smaller. What's up doc?

Out looking for rascally rabbits...of course....

Ok, just in case that wasn't a Bugs Bunny reference....I am interested in a 1:1 comparison, so I tried to view at 1:1 by cropping in LR so they were about the same size and then exported the files to 1000 pixel width.

This is likely more of what you might want: exported from LR at native resolution, brought into PS and merged. R1 above, R5 below. Neither with noise reduction and modest processing.

Exported at 100%:

Here exported at 300%


I am impressed with the R1 images, but that may be as much about noise at ISO6400. I think the R5 has more detail, if it was not for the noise. That is my preliminary takeaway.

 

[Deleted member 380853]

I have the top level of membership so I get it for all of my purchases, but you are correct, I have to pay an annual fee for that membership. I do purchase several items from them however so it's money well spent in my opinion. I even buy most of my glass from there for this reason.

Edit: I makes me feel a little better to see someone else who is waiting, perhaps they just received their shipment late and will get it sent out this week. When did you preorder your camera, if you don't mind my asking? I ordered mine while the presentation was going on.

Any news on yours from Best Buy? Nothing on my account yet. Order says it'll cancel if not filled by friday nov 29 which is kind of total BS imo... At least with BH/etc you can get a person who can do something or a backorder will just sit for months like my order for the Fuji GF 30TS that took so long to fill I had actually forgotten and thought I had a fraudulent use of my payment method LOL.

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Any news on yours from Best Buy? Nothing on my account yet. Order says it'll cancel if not filled by friday nov 29 which is kind of total BS imo... At least with BH/etc you can get a person who can do something or a backorder will just sit for months like my order for the Fuji GF 30TS that took so long to fill I had actually forgotten and thought I had a fraudulent use of my payment method LOL.

Still the same, mine says the 28th or cancel. I called the main number and was emphatic they wouldn't cancel it if it takes longer, they sent me an email saying they would not cancel the order. I am hopeful it comes, I read somewhere that there was another wave of stock hit places today but am not holding my breath.

 

[docsmith]

I have been surprised by the lack of online reviews. Here is the first I have seen in a while, mostly impressions from Canon EoL Bob Davis and a recap of specs. He does show large images of both weddings and wildlife that he has printed taken with the R1, including an example of ISO 51k. Has a few examples of how fast the AF is. He is a fan.

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtu.be

 

[Deleted member 380853]

Still the same, mine says the 28th or cancel. I called the main number and was emphatic they wouldn't cancel it if it takes longer, they sent me an email saying they would not cancel the order. I am hopeful it comes, I read somewhere that there was another wave of stock hit places today but am not holding my breath.

Speaking today with 3 different reps on the phone as well as confirmed by the store manager in portland, a pre-sale order like this will have an auto-cancel date that cannot be changed. He also said pre-ordering in store wouldn't have been an option. I am betting that either your email won't hold up but I'm not hoping against you, but rather i'm too skeptical maybe.

 

[Canon Rumors]

I have been surprised by the lack of online reviews. Here is the first I have seen in a while, mostly impressions from Canon EoL Bob Davis and a recap of specs. He does show large images of both weddings and wildlife that he has printed taken with the R1, including an example of ISO 51k. Has a few examples of how fast the AF is. He is a fan.

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtu.be

That was a nice watch. Thanks for finding it. Most of them are still running you through the camera specs for a good portion of the reviews... zzzzz

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Speaking today with 3 different reps on the phone as well as confirmed by the store manager in portland, a pre-sale order like this will have an auto-cancel date that cannot be changed. He also said pre-ordering in store wouldn't have been an option. I am betting that either your email won't hold up but I'm not hoping against you, but rather i'm too skeptical maybe.

I believe you are correct in this as well, I have little faith in what I was told by these reps as they are simply terminal jockeys that regurgitate what they see on a screen rather than have any actual ability to do anything. I am still hopeful it ships early next week but my doubts grow with each passing day. I have also started looking around the internet to find one in stock somewhere, if I do I am going to grab it and cancel my BB order, but I also have little faith in that option as well.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I have also started looking around the internet to find one in stock somewhere, if I do I am going to grab it and cancel my BB order, but I also have little faith in that option as well.

I’d start here, they are a Canon authorized dealer showing the R1 as in stock.

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I’d call them before placing an order online. When I was looking for the then-unavailable RF 10-20/4L, some shops showing ‘in stock’ did not actually have the lens. The third place I called did.