There are 4 wide-angle L prime lenses coming in the next 12 months [CR2]

[neuroanatomist]

This is something I was wondering...is it possible to go RF extender > RF Adapter > EF lens, and get full AF/etc.? I haven't tried it yet...

Yes, if you mechanically alter the RF adapter so the extender fits into the back of it. I did that to a Commlite adapter (needed to take the opening down to the circuitry for the opening to be large enough), AF and IS work.

 

[Johnw]

This is something I was wondering...is it possible to go RF extender > RF Adapter > EF lens, and get full AF/etc.? I haven't tried it yet...

Yes, it requires a non-trivial mod to the Commlite adapter described in this thread:

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/rf-and-ef-extenders-on-the-ef-600-4l-is-ii.41215/

But yes as stated, it retains full features with the EF lens (AF etc).

 

[entoman]

This is something I was wondering...is it possible to go RF extender > RF Adapter > EF lens, and get full AF/etc.? I haven't tried it yet...

Prior to buying my RF 100-500mm, I used my EF 100-400mm plus Canon 1.4x iii extender plus Canon EF-RF adaptor, on my R5. There are no autofocus penalties, everything works and all AF zones and modes work perfectly with this setup. I'm not sure if the same applies when using a 2x extender though, or with third party adaptors.

 

[scyrene]

I have no idea how popular a 21mm F4 would be, obviously not as popular as a wide zoom, the question really is whether it would sell in enough numbers for Canon to justify making it. They are after all in the business to make money for the employees and shareholders, not to please photographers.

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Can we not infer something of its popularity from the lack of any similar lens in any lineup?

 

[dolina]

The HK based "grey" exporter that I've used for the last 10 years, sells at about 25% cheaper on average, compared to buying from a Canon Europe approved dealer. Over the years, it has saved me literally thousands of pounds.

It's very rare for a camera to develop a fault during normal usage - usually if there is a problem with a camera it becomes apparent the instant you start using it, in which case it's classified as dead-on-arrival and you get an instant refund or replacement.

Canon Europe provides a 12 month warranty if you buy from them, but my HK seller provides a full *3 year* worldwide parts & labour warranty, with repairs carried out locally by highly reputable Canon approved repairers.

.... and there is no need to go to HK to get the gear, which is delivered free of charge. I've never had to wait longer than 4 working days for delivery. Everything they advertise is genuinely in stock. On the single occasion when I was asked to pay import tax, the seller refunded it within 2 days. That's what I call service.

Mind you our positive experiences may vary from HK-based grey dealer to dealer, their supply chain to your doorstep & the importing country's Customs laws, policies and actual practices at the time of purchase.

So do a bit of test buys before going full throttle.

 

[dolina]

Prior to buying my RF 100-500mm, I used my EF 100-400mm plus Canon 1.4x iii extender plus Canon EF-RF adaptor, on my R5. There are no autofocus penalties, everything works and all AF zones and modes work perfectly with this setup. I'm not sure if the same applies when using a 2x extender though, or with third party adaptors.

The Canon RF 600mm f/11 IS STM & Canon RF 800mm f/11 IS STM can autofocus on all RF bodies.

In your test with the 1.4x extender does the Canon EF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6L IS II USM you tested it on have all AF points available on your R5?

Last bodies I have are single center AF point when the lens is f/8.

 

[neuroanatomist]

In your test with the 1.4x extender does the Canon EF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6L IS II USM you tested it on have all AF points available on your R5?

Last bodies I have are single center AF point when the lens is f/8.

Mirrorless and DSLR AF systems are quite different. In fact, @dolina have you tried using an f/8 lens on your bodies in Live View? You get the full AF area. Same with an f/11 lens (e.g. I could AF an EF 100-400L + 2xIII on my 1D X in Live View. AF was sssssllllloooowwwww, but accurate.

 

[koenkooi]

Oh ok didn't knew that. But if I u don't consider cash back and other advertising prices (because they can apply to other lenses aswell) - there would also be some other L lenses still. The 17-40 f/4 (ok - maybe not as excellent as others but I still ok)and the 70-200 f/4 non IS are currently at 600€ here in Germany. the EF 24-70 f/4 L currently is at 1200€ but I am pretty sure this was a lot cheaper too in the past and is, for what it is, an excellent lens. The EF 100 L Macro is also around 1k. If u look in the past ull find even more.

The RF16 f/2.8 STM is much, much sharper in the corner than the 17-40L, even after distortion correction. It's also much sharper in the center at f/2.8 than the 17-40L is stopped down to f/5.6. And it may very well be that cropping the RF16 to 40mm field-of-view might give similar image quality to the 17-40L at 40mm.

The RF15-30 STM is also much sharper everywhere, but isn't f/4.

The 17-40L also need a filter to be weather sealed, so all in all, it's not what you'd expect from an L lens. But it's black with a red ring, so it looks great on a camera

 

[Del Paso]

The HK based "grey" exporter that I've used for the last 10 years, sells at about 25% cheaper on average, compared to buying from a Canon Europe approved dealer. Over the years, it has saved me literally thousands of pounds.

It's very rare for a camera to develop a fault during normal usage - usually if there is a problem with a camera it becomes apparent the instant you start using it, in which case it's classified as dead-on-arrival and you get an instant refund or replacement.

Canon Europe provides a 12 month warranty if you buy from them, but my HK seller provides a full *3 year* worldwide parts & labour warranty, with repairs carried out locally by highly reputable Canon approved repairers.

.... and there is no need to go to HK to get the gear, which is delivered free of charge. I've never had to wait longer than 4 working days for delivery. Everything they advertise is genuinely in stock. On the single occasion when I was asked to pay import tax, the seller refunded it within 2 days. That's what I call service.

Interesting, but what about the custom duties + VAT (mainland Europe), I suppose you must add them to the HK price.
France has 20% VAT + 16-18% custom duties if I'm not mistaken. So, Euro 5000 quickly become 6800... and the HK price becomes prohibitive.
And our Douane loves to check parcels from China. I once ordered a full matte focusing screen for my 5 D III (Euro 80!), and lost nearly 2 hours waiting for them to calculate the tax.
Why? "Lots of contraband comes from China"(sic).
Maybe HK has different tax agreements with the UK.

 

[koenkooi]

Interesting, but what about the custom duties + VAT (mainland Europe), I suppose you must add them to the HK price.
France has 20% VAT + 16-18% custom duties if I'm not mistaken. So, Euro 5000 quickly become 6800... and the HK price becomes prohibitive.

Pre-Brexit you could have the HK importer have a warehouse in the UK, where it used the "special relationship" between the UK and HK, and then ship it to the mainland using the UK-EU trade agreements.

As I understood it, that provided a basically duty-free path from HK to your mailbox.

 

[Del Paso]

Pre-Brexit you could have the HK importer have a warehouse in the UK, where it used the "special relationship" between the UK and HK, and then ship it to the mainland using the UK-EU trade agreements.

As I understood it, that provided a basically duty-free path from HK to your mailbox.

Thanks for confirming!

 

[roby17269]

I wonder about the actual size of that market, though. A few years ago in an interview, a Leica exec stated that the entire global medium format (not just Leica's share) comprised about 7,000 cameras per year. That struck me as low, but if true it's a teeny tiny market.

It is undoubtedly tiny. I have no hard numbers, but I do meet a lot of fashion photographers, even ones published on the major magazines, and the rare times they shoot MF now, it's either a rental or a promotional loaner.
I know this photographer who shoots for Vogue and Bazaar and she has "downgraded" from Hasselblad MF to Canon FF. When I show up with my MF rig I am always the only one and everyone wants to see the "beast"

 

[entoman]

Pre-Brexit you could have the HK importer have a warehouse in the UK, where it used the "special relationship" between the UK and HK, and then ship it to the mainland using the UK-EU trade agreements.

As I understood it, that provided a basically duty-free path from HK to your mailbox.

I've bought several thousands of pounds worth of gear from HK since Brexit, without being charged import duty or VAT. Most of the HK exporters who advertise on eBay etc have warehouses in the UK or in Europe. The exporter I use posts direct from HK and doesn't use an intermediary. I've noticed that recently there have been intermediaries based in Ireland and Switzerland, that sell at prices competitive with my direct HK purchases, but I've been using the same HK company for at least 10 years, and their service has been so exceptionally good that I haven't been tempted to buy via intermediary warehouses.

 

[entoman]

The RF16 f/2.8 STM is much, much sharper in the corner than the 17-40L, even after distortion correction. It's also much sharper in the center at f/2.8 than the 17-40L is stopped down to f/5.6. And it may very well be that cropping the RF16 to 40mm field-of-view might give similar image quality to the 17-40L at 40mm.

The RF15-30 STM is also much sharper everywhere, but isn't f/4.

The 17-40L also need a filter to be weather sealed, so all in all, it's not what you'd expect from an L lens. But it's black with a red ring, so it looks great on a camera

My EF 17-40mm L was noticeably soft in the corners, making it useless for landscapes. I got rid of it and replaced it with the EF 16-35mm F4L, which is excellent and rapidly became my favourite optic. Until an asshole broke into my car and stole it...

 

[who.peter]

The canon 35mm 1.8 is not good at all. It has the worse chromatic aberration i've seen with a lens using the R5.
The autofocus is veeeeery very noisy.

 

[entoman]

"A lot of us," when 'us' refers to a small handful of people, is irrelevant.

On Flickr, searching "Sigma 28mm f/1.4" pulls up 362 images. For comparison, the Canon 24mm f/1.4 pulls up >13,500 images. So at least based on Flickr, the Sigma 28/1.4 is not going to move the needle even a little.

"a lot of us" = "me and perhaps one or two others on this forum".

Unfortunately, wishful-thinking won't result in Canon making decisions that it doesn't consider economically worthwhile.

Which is a pity, as there are several lenses desirable to me, but absent from Canon's range, and likely to remain so.

 

[neuroanatomist]

"a lot of us" = "me and perhaps one or two others on this forum".

Yeah, reminds me of the unofficial translations of statements in research publications.

“It is believed that…” = I think.

“It is widely believed that…” = Me and a couple of my colleagues think.

“It has been demonstrated that…” = I read a paper that said so (and it might have been published in The Journal of Irreproducible Results, I can’t recall).

“It has been conclusively demonstrated that…” = I did that experiment as a grad student.

 

[Bob Howland]

Yeah, reminds me of the unofficial translations of statements in research publications.

“It is believed that…” = I think.

“It is widely believed that…” = Me and a couple of my colleagues think.

“It has been demonstrated that…” = I read a paper that said so (and it might have been published in The Journal of Irreproducible Results, I can’t recall).

“It has been conclusively demonstrated that…” = I did that experiment as a grad student.

And they're all in the passive voice.

 

[entoman]

The Canon RF 600mm f/11 IS STM & Canon RF 800mm f/11 IS STM can autofocus on all RF bodies.

In your test with the 1.4x extender does the Canon EF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6L IS II USM you tested it on have all AF points available on your R5?

Last bodies I have are single center AF point when the lens is f/8.

R5 with EF 100-400mm L, 1.4x extender & EF-RF adaptor - all AF points available including animal-eye AF.

R5 with RF 800mm F11 - only large square zone AF available, but animal-eye AF works within this zone.

5DMkiv with EF 100-400mm L, 1.4x extender - all AF points available.

5DS with EF 100-400mm L, 1.4x extender - centre spot AF only.

 

[scyrene]

The canon 35mm 1.8 is not good at all. It has the worse chromatic aberration i've seen with a lens using the R5.
The autofocus is veeeeery very noisy.

Well I got this lens recently and haven't noticed much chromatic aberration nor any particular focusing sound...