Canon: No Plans for High Resolution R1

[vikingar]

What is 'the best possible camera'? Hint: it differs for everyone, you don't ge to define it for anyone but you.

Some things even you would admit would make a camera "better". E.g. the optical smart controllers would work just as well on on mid-range models. They don't cost much, yet they're left out.

But the best possible camera is irrelevant. What is relevant is the best possible camera Canon could have made, given their constraints (funding, deadlines, available tech, expected margins, risk, etc) at the time.

That we simply don't and can't know. Even Canon can't know. They just say it's the R1, so we have to accept that. I accept that. It is the flagship.

In my totally unfounded personal opinion however, I think it is possible they might've been able to deliver an even better (objectively higher specs with no drawbacks) camera had they pursued a more aggressive business strategy.

Or it could have backfired, who knows. I certainly don't. I do suspect they didn't want to risk an issue like the R5 overheating issue on their flagship though.

We'll get a glimpse into how Canon sees it in a few years when the R1 Mk II comes out.

 

[Deleted member 380853]

Yes, we get it. You know better than Canon what 'would sell'. You couldn't seem to comprehend that the patent for the possible RF 600/4 with built-in 1.4x and the actual RF 600/4 are 'essentially the same length' despite repeated attempts to explain that simple statement, but you know more than Canon about what cameras 'will sell'. Cool, bro.

Do you feel better now? I'm not sure why you need to make up dumb shit that nobody cares about hearing. I never even suggested that I "know better" than Canon regarding selling, or anything at all.

Regarding you attacking me here now, about a topic on a different thread, just shows you have some mental issues.

Get a life. Stop being an asshole or at least stop interacting with me anyway.

 

[Deleted member 380853]

Yes, we get it. You know better than Canon what 'would sell'. You couldn't seem to comprehend that the patent for the possible RF 600/4 with built-in 1.4x and the actual RF 600/4 are 'essentially the same length' despite repeated attempts to explain that simple statement, but you know more than Canon about what cameras 'will sell'. Cool, bro.

You quoted me calling you out on being an asshole but then went on to be more assholish. LMAO
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And you remind me of how some people on this forum find the need to behave badly. What did your reply add here? Your reply added nothing except to emphasize your unlimited capacity for shitty comments.

Yes, we get it. You know better than Canon what 'would sell'. You couldn't seem to comprehend that the patent for the possible RF 600/4 with built-in 1.4x and the actual RF 600/4 are 'essentially the same length' despite repeated attempts to explain that simple statement, but you know more than Canon about what cameras 'will sell'. Cool, bro.
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Just go away. You have nothing to offer.

 

[mmmm]

The other manufacturers building high res do-it-all flagships does in fact suggest there is a market for them. Canon seems to have settled on sports photographers as being their flagship customers.

And what’s a R5ii then? A high res do it all non flagship? Is it the flagship part that bothers you? Are cameras only worthy if the maker names them a flagship?

 

[koenkooi]

And what’s a R5ii then? A high res do it all non flagship? Is it the flagship part that bothers you? Are cameras only worthy if the maker names them a flagship?

That’s exactly how it works! People are free to call it what they want, it doesn’t change the fact that Canon says that only the R1 is their flagship.

You, and others, are completely free to call the R100 a flagship because it lacks an AA filter. Just don’t be affronted when Canon and actual people disagree.

 

[mmmm]

That’s exactly how it works! People are free to call it what they want, it doesn’t change the fact that Canon says that only the R1 is their flagship.

You, and others, are completely free to call the R100 a flagship because it lacks an AA filter. Just don’t be affronted when Canon and actual people disagree.

I’m not affronted by anything. I don’t really care either way - I buy what I think I need regardless about what it’s labelled. I don’t understand why other people don’t just do the same thing. If I wanted a high res canon I would get one - I couldn’t care less whether it was labelled flagship or not. If canon didn’t offer what I wanted I would go elsewhere. I wouldn’t bleat on and on about what they deem as a flagship isn’t what I wanted.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Get a life. Stop being an asshole or at least stop interacting with me anyway.

Ahhh, so you’ve resorted to name calling like a petulant child. Well done.

Stop interacting with you? No, you don’t get to decide what I post. Interaction is a two-sided process, by definition. I’d suggest the ignore feature, but your inability to properly insert a quote suggests that finding and using that feature might exceed your capabilities. If you lack the willpower to not respond when you don’t desire an interaction, that’s a you problem.

 

[SvO2]

And what’s a R5ii then? A high res do it all non flagship? Is it the flagship part that bothers you? Are cameras only worthy if the maker names them a flagship?

I don't care about the title. I do care about the build quality and features. A more weather resistant R5II with dual CFe cards, larger view finder, larger buffer, and additional buttons/controls would be welcomed by many.

 

[Deleted member 380853]

Ahhh, so you’ve resorted to name calling like a petulant child. Well done.

Stop interacting with you? No, you don’t get to decide what I post. Interaction is a two-sided process, by definition. I’d suggest the ignore feature, but your inability to properly insert a quote suggests that finding and using that feature might exceed your capabilities. If you lack the willpower to not respond when you don’t desire an interaction, that’s a you problem.

You have been behaving as an "asshole". If you don't want to be shown as you are, behave differently.

The personal attacks were started by you. I left that other thread alone after you provided more information but you felt the need to harass me here about it again. You could behave better but you have no clue about how you come across in the world apparently.

Again you try to attack me like a bully over the way. I chose to show off your shitty post in case you try to remove it, but instead you come across as a condescending man child.

You're one of those types who is so insecure that you have to announce to the world how much better you think you are than everyone else. It's sad.

 

[neuroanatomist]

You have been behaving as an "asshole". If you don't want to be shown as you are, behave differently.

The personal attacks were started by you.

This? "Once again I am reminded how much more some people on this forum know about making and selling cameras than the company that las led the market for over two decades." If that's your bar, stay off the internet – you can't handle it.

Thanks for confirming your lack of willpower to not interact. Nicely done.

 

[mmmm]

I don't care about the title. I do care about the build quality and features. A more weather resistant R5II with dual CFe cards, larger view finder, larger buffer, and additional buttons/controls would be welcomed by many.

Isn’t it weather sealed? Canons website describes it as such. And I suppose it’s not going to have the same feature as a very much more expensive camera has. Again - get the r1. If it’s just about mp then you need to look to a different brand. Apparently all the others offer what you want. I don’t know. The R1 is a wonderful camera, I’m happy with mine. I suppose if you’re in the niche market where mp rule above all else, and having less makes your photos worse, then you need a long hard think on whether the r5 will fit you verses going elsewhere.

 

[mmmm]

condescending man child.

There are plenty of them in the world causing far more havoc than this supposed discussion about cameras. I suggest chilling this down a bit and getting back to the issue in the thread. So he comes across patronising or a know it all to you - you called him an arsehole. It’s a fair exchange - you’re both entitled to your opinions. Let’s move on now.

 

[Deleted member 380853]

Isn’t it weather sealed? Canons website describes it as such. And I suppose it’s not going to have the same feature as a very much more expensive camera has. Again - get the r1. If it’s just about mp then you need to look to a different brand. Apparently all the others offer what you want. I don’t know. The R1 is a wonderful camera, I’m happy with mine. I suppose if you’re in the niche market where mp rule above all else, and having less makes your photos worse, then you need a long hard think on whether the r5 will fit you verses going elsewhere.

The video I saw about the R52 and its sealing was about concerns around the little vent area on the bottom but that is of course not an ingress point, but more like how air travels over heating or cooling surfaces on a simple hvac or furnace unit.

 

[AlanF]

Isn’t it weather sealed? Canons website describes it as such. And I suppose it’s not going to have the same feature as a very much more expensive camera has. Again - get the r1. If it’s just about mp then you need to look to a different brand. Apparently all the others offer what you want. I don’t know. The R1 is a wonderful camera, I’m happy with mine. I suppose if you’re in the niche market where mp rule above all else, and having less makes your photos worse, then you need a long hard think on whether the r5 will fit you verses going elsewhere.

Niche market? The R5s outsell the R1s and R3s.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Niche market? The R5s outsell the R1s and R3s.

I suspect the reference was to the market for a high-MP flagship.

 

[AlanF]

I suspect the reference was to the market for a high-MP flagship.

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In that case, it had sailed over the horizon.

 

[josephandrews222]

Do you feel better now? I'm not sure why you need to make up dumb shit that nobody cares about hearing. I never even suggested that I "know better" than Canon regarding selling, or anything at all.

Regarding you attacking me here now, about a topic on a different thread, just shows you have some mental issues.

Get a life. Stop being an asshole or at least stop interacting with me anyway.

I have found that my enjoyment of CR increased after I discovered this:


Sometimes we just can't have nice things.

For nearly three decades now, I have served as founding editor for one website, and also monitor/contribute to several websites/boards.

In all that time have found it necessary to 'ignore' only one other poster (not here on CR): not much bothers me when I'm having fun (as I do, usually) on Canon Rumors.

My fun has increased after employing the 'Ignoring' feature.

Of course, YMMV.

 

[SvO2]

Isn’t it weather sealed? Canons website describes it as such. And I suppose it’s not going to have the same feature as a very much more expensive camera has. Again - get the r1. If it’s just about mp then you need to look to a different brand. Apparently all the others offer what you want. I don’t know. The R1 is a wonderful camera, I’m happy with mine. I suppose if you’re in the niche market where mp rule above all else, and having less makes your photos worse, then you need a long hard think on whether the r5 will fit you verses going elsewhere.

MP is precisely why I don't have the R1.

R5II fits well enough. But an R5II with what I mentioned before would be better. If I were starting my collection from zero, an A1/A1II would probably be ideal, but the cost of switching to Sony is not trivial.

 

[mmmm]

Niche market? The R5s outsell the R1s and R3s.

As @neuroanatomist pointed out, I was referring to a flagship context.
But while we’re at it, I wonder if the R5’s outsell both the R1 and R3 due to MP count. I highly doubt that that’s the sole reason. Price and body size are probably major factors, as is the general reputation of the 5 series. Pretty sure the R6 is a big seller too, then we’re back down to 24mp but we’re reducing the price again.

 

[koenkooi]

As @neuroanatomist pointed out, I was referring to a flagship context.
But while we’re at it, I wonder if the R5’s outsell both the R1 and R3 due to MP count. I highly doubt that that’s the sole reason. Price and body size are probably major factors, as is the general reputation of the 5 series. Pretty sure the R6 is a big seller too, then we’re back down to 24mp but we’re reducing the price again.

As much as I like to pretend that the R3/R1 formfactor is not for me, the price is the real gating factor in my case. The R5 is as large a camera that I can tolerate, which is the deciding factor, but if it wasn't, the price would prevent me from getting it