A Canon DSLR First Coming to EOS 5D Mark IV [CR2]

[stefsan]

Question to all the eye control users of old: did it work if you wore glasses?
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Yes you were meant to calibrate it at first and also every now and then. Some people did have problems with it but for me it worked flawlessly. Much quicker than moving focus points with a cursor or focus and recompose.

From the manual:

You calibrate the camera by looking at a blinking focusing point in the viewfinder and then pressing the shutter button. Your do this for four focusing point while holding the camera horizontally and again while hold the camera vertically. Therefore you have to follow the calibration procedure eight times
There are three calibration channels (CAL 1, 2, 3) which can store different calibration data.

For example you can store calibration data in channel 1 for your naked eye and channel 2 for when you wear glasses or contact lenses. Channel 3 can be used to store calibration data for another user.

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Thanks for the quick info!
If well implemented (and with a more user-friendly calibration process), eye controlled AF could be a real winner.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Video without 30min Limitation?

That limitation isn't from Canon, you'll have to that issue up with the EU...

 

[saturoldan]

May be a star tracking feature like Pentax K1 has, or pixel shifting resolution. It would be usefull but not a giant leap...

 

[Meatcurry]

Video without 30min Limitation?

That limitation isn't from Canon, you'll have to that issue up with the EU...

That's the sole reason so many voted for BREXIT!

 

[RobPan]

Personally, I would like to see a square sensor.

So you'd prefer a 1.18x crop sensor to a FF sensor? Or perhaps a much more expensive camera? Those, among other reasons (incompatibility with a few lenses and many lens hoods, etc.) means that idea is pretty much a non-starter.

Yes, because the 5Dn is a DSLR. A 36x36mm mirroless would be easier to build. But perhaps not on Canon's urgent list. There is one Sony feature that would be useful (and not at all impossible) in a DSLR: IBIS, i.e. the in-camera image stabilizer. Works very well in the Sony A7R2, why not in a Canon DSLR? Would be a pleasant surprise for Canon users.

 

[Sporgon]

Been predicting it for two years or so now: interchangeable head, aka F-1, except this time one is a pentaprism as normal, the other an EVF that when fitted and plugged in automatically locks the mirror up, and you have a 'mirrorless' with DPAF, principally for video purposes but there's nothing to stop you using it for stills, if that's your wish. This would fit with the early 'modular' rumours about the 5DIV.

I think to avoid the cludge of electronic contact failures/wear - any joint that can allow sand in, will allow sand in, that it would more feasible to simply add a facet or use an existing facet of the prism with an OLED screen holographically displayed on it - maintaining the weather sealing/unibody integrity of the body itself. Once the mirror flips up, the screen takes over as an EVF.

Thoughts?

If it could be done without detriment to the normal OVF view, and provide the additional information in a satisfactory manner then sure. The dslr continues to develop and this could keep the OVF up to date. However I don't see that a decent drop-and-slide interchangeable pentaprism would have to defeat the structural integrity of the 5D, after all the F2, F3, LX, and F-1 were all pretty resilient to abuse. The electrical plugs could be pretty substantial too, but I think ultimately it would be the increase in production cost that could not be passed on to the market that would kill the idea.

 

[neuroanatomist]

While we’re told that the feature “isn’t major”, it is something “a lot of shooters will be happy to have”.

it has to be IBIS or auto AFMA.
Nothing else benefits "all" photographers.

Since when does 'a lot of shooters' mean 'all photographers'? Well, maybe in dilbertland...but more likely it's just the usual problem with reading comprehension. :

 

[ahsanford]

it has to be IBIS or auto AFMA.

Nothing else benefits "all" photographers.

Auto AFMA makes perfect sense.

- A

 

[Photographer-at-Large]

I'd love for the feature to be global shutter and/or recording in ProRes / raw format.

 

[StudentOfLight]

it has to be IBIS or auto AFMA.

Nothing else benefits "all" photographers.

Speed benefits all photographers. So some type faster interfaces were some of my first guesses.

 

[StudentOfLight]

it has to be IBIS or auto AFMA.

Nothing else benefits "all" photographers.

Speed benefits all photographers. So some type faster interfaces were some of my first guesses.

USB3? That would fit as Nikon has already put USB3 in their cameras.

5Ds cameras have USB 3 already so that wouldn't be a Canon first. A first for Canon would be 802.11ac. This was debuted in the Samsung NX1 so not completely new, but due to speed will be more capable than the 80D control over wifi.

I've had some radio interference issues between 802.11ac and USB 3 so maybe a different physical interface would be used. Not sure if USB 3.1 resolves those issues. I'll have to go read up more on the subject though that is something to bear in mind. I imagine reliability straight-out-the-box is a high priority for most 5 series users so I expect Canon to use the set of technologies that are most compatible.

 

[mnclayshooter]

1. "will have a DSLR first from Canon" Reading this really makes me tune in on the part that says " DSLR " which makes me believe it's something that may exist on their cinema cameras - pointing at a video feature.

Or something like this from the G7X II:

There's also a new panning IS mode that will adjust the shutter speed to ensure that your subject is 'frozen.' in body... shutter speed coordination with the gyro/movement of the body/lens combo.

 

[tron]

Since it will not be something major (very big improvement in DR or in High ISO IQ which admittedly is much to ask in a single generation iteration) I cannot see the fuss about it.
Anyway i would be happy with 1DxII performance in DR and High ISO.

They could also implement their dual amplification patent (Sorry I reverted back to DR issues..).

 

[Deleted member 377074]

Dunno what they're so excited to share, but I can say with confidence that DSLRs will continue to be a joke for serious video production (real commercial work, not film school BS). The 5d4 will shoot 4K at 30p, just like my phone does. Wow. And of course it will do so to a sloppy 4:2:0 8bit Long GOP p.o.s. h264 codec. There will be no option for XLR inputs. There will most certainly be no ND filters. I also expect no peaking and no zebra controls.

If Canon made a video-centric 5D Mark IV-s with internal 422 10-bit intra with 120fps+, and coupled that with proprietary EVF, XLR and ND modules (a la Red), the video production market would rejoice. They could build such a camera. Even at $5,000, it would sell like hot cakes. I'd dump my Sony Fs7 in a heartbeat. I'd invest more in Canon glass. But alas, Canon is stupid in their marketing and product development, so screw it. Life would be so much easier if I didn't love the Canon glass and color science.

 

[Meatcurry]

Dunno what they're so excited to share, but I can say with confidence that DSLRs will continue to be a joke for serious video production (real commercial work, not film school BS). The 5d4 will shoot 4K at 30p, just like my phone does. Wow. And of course it will do so to a sloppy 4:2:0 8bit Long GOP p.o.s. h264 codec. There will be no option for XLR inputs. There will most certainly be no ND filters. I also expect no peaking and no zebra controls.

If Canon made a video-centric 5D Mark IV-s with internal 422 10-bit intra with 120fps+, and coupled that with proprietary EVF, XLR and ND modules (a la Red), the video production market would rejoice. They could build such a camera. Even at $5,000, it would sell like hot cakes. I'd dump my Sony Fs7 in a heartbeat. I'd invest more in Canon glass. But alas, Canon is stupid in their marketing and product development, so screw it. Life would be so much easier if I didn't love the Canon glass and color science.

I think Canon agree that DSLRs are a joke for serious video work, that's why they provide many other options(C100,C300,C500). When are you going to realise that Canon have no interest in making any of their DSLRs compete on video with other products they sell?

 

[Sharlin]

If Canon made a video-centric 5D Mark IV-s with internal 422 10-bit intra with 120fps+, and coupled that with proprietary EVF, XLR and ND modules (a la Red), the video production market would rejoice. They could build such a camera. Even at $5,000, it would sell like hot cakes. I'd dump my Sony Fs7 in a heartbeat. I'd invest more in Canon glass. But alas, Canon is stupid in their marketing and product development, so screw it. Life would be so much easier if I didn't love the Canon glass and color science.

I think Canon agree that DSLRs are a joke for serious video work, that's why they provide many other options(C100,C300,C500). When are you going to realise that Canon have no interest in making any of their DSLRs compete on video with other products they sell?

+1. Sheesh. The sense of entitlement of some people... "I want it all and I want it cheap and Canon is stupid for not giving me what I want!"

 

[tron]

If Canon made a video-centric 5D Mark IV-s with internal 422 10-bit intra with 120fps+, and coupled that with proprietary EVF, XLR and ND modules (a la Red), the video production market would rejoice. They could build such a camera. Even at $5,000, it would sell like hot cakes. I'd dump my Sony Fs7 in a heartbeat. I'd invest more in Canon glass. But alas, Canon is stupid in their marketing and product development, so screw it. Life would be so much easier if I didn't love the Canon glass and color science.

I think Canon agree that DSLRs are a joke for serious video work, that's why they provide many other options(C100,C300,C500). When are you going to realise that Canon have no interest in making any of their DSLRs compete on video with other products they sell?

+1. Sheesh. The sense of entitlement of some people... "I want it all and I want it cheap and Canon is stupid for not giving me what I want!"

Are you volunteering to pay Canon an extra $1000 more than the price of 5D Mark IV for ... well, just because?

+1 Exactly! Not all people are video oriented and demand to use a DSLR for that! And more importantly video is merely an add-on it is not what this camera is made for.

And although I do not object the video capabilities I am tempted to answer to the video person - I see no name on that quote- that if Canon were to make a stills oriented camera with crazy DR and crazy High ISO quality I would be willing to pay 1000$ more even if it didn't have any video capabilities at all! ;D
Reality though is somewhere in between...

 

[rrcphoto]

Dunno what they're so excited to share, but I can say with confidence that DSLRs will continue to be a joke for serious video production (real commercial work, not film school BS). The 5d4 will shoot 4K at 30p, just like my phone does. Wow. And of course it will do so to a sloppy 4:2:0 8bit Long GOP p.o.s. h264 codec. There will be no option for XLR inputs. There will most certainly be no ND filters. I also expect no peaking and no zebra controls.

If Canon made a video-centric 5D Mark IV-s with internal 422 10-bit intra with 120fps+, and coupled that with proprietary EVF, XLR and ND modules (a la Red), the video production market would rejoice. They could build such a camera. Even at $5,000, it would sell like hot cakes. I'd dump my Sony Fs7 in a heartbeat. I'd invest more in Canon glass. But alas, Canon is stupid in their marketing and product development, so screw it. Life would be so much easier if I didn't love the Canon glass and color science.

I think Canon agree that DSLRs are a joke for serious video work, that's why they provide many other options(C100,C300,C500). When are you going to realise that Canon have no interest in making any of their DSLRs compete on video with other products they sell?

Anyone that is looking at the cxxx series of cameras could care less about the 5d series.

I doubt Canon cares as much as some think they feel about internal product competition.

However people forget that canons video solutions do not use the same digic chips.

 

[rrcphoto]

Dunno what they're so excited to share, but I can say with confidence that DSLRs will continue to be a joke for serious video production (real commercial work, not film school BS). The 5d4 will shoot 4K at 30p, just like my phone does. Wow.

If you think your phone and a full frame camera shot comparable 4k.. then I really think you are trolling and have no real clue.

 

[SchnauzerFace]

Dunno what they're so excited to share, but I can say with confidence that DSLRs will continue to be a joke for serious video production (real commercial work, not film school BS). The 5d4 will shoot 4K at 30p, just like my phone does. Wow. And of course it will do so to a sloppy 4:2:0 8bit Long GOP p.o.s. h264 codec. There will be no option for XLR inputs. There will most certainly be no ND filters. I also expect no peaking and no zebra controls.

If Canon made a video-centric 5D Mark IV-s with internal 422 10-bit intra with 120fps+, and coupled that with proprietary EVF, XLR and ND modules (a la Red), the video production market would rejoice. They could build such a camera. Even at $5,000, it would sell like hot cakes.

The C300 MkII can do many --but not all -- of the things you're asking (4K w/ 422 10-bit, XLR, ND, peaking, zebra), and it costs about $12,000. I imagine the video production market would, indeed, rejoice if they could get everything the C300ii offers PLUS 120fps for roughly $7,000 less than the C300ii ... AND if it's also a 5D-quality still camera on top of it.

I don't see why we should consider DSLRs a "joke" for serious video production when that's not what they're designed for. It's like saying a Segway scooter is a "joke" for serious dirt bike racers. Just bringing up RED in passing as a comparison/gold standard feels unfair. Even the lower end RED setups will cost 10x a 5D iv.

BTW -- the 1DXii produces gorgeous 4K video in the right hands. Is it an Alexa, a RED or even a C300? No, but it was never meant to be -- and it still delivers quite admirably at a fraction of the price.

TL; DR: Nobody expects DSLRs to be used for high-end video work. For that, you'll need a high-end video setup.