Canon Announces the EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR

[YuengLinger]

So, what, only dinosaurs care that Canon could not have given us 1/250th second flash sync?

I'm sure all the other stuff is great for stills, beyond adequate for the typical 10 second video sequences sprinkled into presentations and digital albums.

I'm so happy our Euro friends are squawking about prices there. Just hold on, the US will be in the same pickle soon enough.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I have asked for a non-crippled camera

Well, it's good that you have these forums on which to vent your frustration. While you're at it, you should really stick it to Canon by not buying their crippled camera. That'll show 'em who's boss!

 

[E]

I have asked for a non-crippled camera

Well, it's good that you have these forums on which to vent your frustration. While you're at it, you should really stick it to Canon by not buying their crippled camera. That'll show 'em who's boss!

You are beyond help, and sarcasm is only fun when it hits the mark.

 

[scyrene]

Are you people feeling well? :-\

You're not reading what I'm posting, and you are really rude.

I am reading what you are writing.
Canon has not put high-end video functionality in the 5D4
I call it manufacturing to a price point
You see it as them deliberately crippling the product
My comment was highlighting that every manufacturer compromises to meet marketing aims. You don't like those compromises so you can either go with it or buy something else.

Simple fact is they are NOT going to make the 5D4 a high end video option. If you want high end video option buy a high end video camera.
If you were saying 'I would like to have seen...' then that is understandable. Complaining that they have deliberately crippled a product is refusing to accept reality of what they have chosen to produce.


How much would you have been willing to pay for a 5D4 with the video you would like to see?

But you are just proving to me again that you're not reading what I'm posting.

I have NOT asked for high-end video functionality in the 5D4.

And I have also written time and time again that I don't want to buy a video camera. But that I'm OK with paying for a non-crippled 1D C Mark II, if there were one.

So how come this is impossible for you to take in? I'm accused of writing the same thing over and over, but that's obviously because you're not reading and understanding it. My demands on Canon are fully reasonable.

Let's put this as clearly as possible: YOU have asked for certain features. OTHERS have asked for other features. If Canon put in all the features YOU AND OTHERS asked for, then it would be closer to a professional video camera. Unless you believe your personal desires are either more natural or somehow more important to Canon, then there's no way for the company to decide between your wishes and those of others. Does this make sense? Nobody is saying YOU want a pro video model. But one person's wishes cannot define a market. Capiche?

I have asked for a non-crippled camera, with the quality Canon delivered already in 2012, paired with slow motion. That is not a very unique request, that I don't share with anybody else.

I was dissappointed with 5D Mark IV, but I was ready to get a more expensive model instead. But, as Canon cripples their cameras, that model does not exist.

And no, there are plenty of users here who keep repeating that I should get a video camera. There is even one in the quoted post that I answered. If you care to read it.

From what I can tell 'crippled' means 'has the things I want'. You said you were being reasonable, but now you're using hyperbole, which kind of undermines that assertion.

The 2012 model is the 1DC, right? Remind me what its release price was...?

 

[davidhfe]

Are you people feeling well? :-\

You're not reading what I'm posting, and you are really rude.

I am reading what you are writing.
Canon has not put high-end video functionality in the 5D4
I call it manufacturing to a price point
You see it as them deliberately crippling the product
My comment was highlighting that every manufacturer compromises to meet marketing aims. You don't like those compromises so you can either go with it or buy something else.

Simple fact is they are NOT going to make the 5D4 a high end video option. If you want high end video option buy a high end video camera.
If you were saying 'I would like to have seen...' then that is understandable. Complaining that they have deliberately crippled a product is refusing to accept reality of what they have chosen to produce.


How much would you have been willing to pay for a 5D4 with the video you would like to see?

But you are just proving to me again that you're not reading what I'm posting.

I have NOT asked for high-end video functionality in the 5D4.

And I have also written time and time again that I don't want to buy a video camera. But that I'm OK with paying for a non-crippled 1D C Mark II, if there were one.

So how come this is impossible for you to take in? I'm accused of writing the same thing over and over, but that's obviously because you're not reading and understanding it. My demands on Canon are fully reasonable.

Let's put this as clearly as possible: YOU have asked for certain features. OTHERS have asked for other features. If Canon put in all the features YOU AND OTHERS asked for, then it would be closer to a professional video camera. Unless you believe your personal desires are either more natural or somehow more important to Canon, then there's no way for the company to decide between your wishes and those of others. Does this make sense? Nobody is saying YOU want a pro video model. But one person's wishes cannot define a market. Capiche?

How about defining it differently: I had hoped to see Canon include more of the features available at this price point (and below) from other manufacturers. This would increase my confidence that I am continuing to invest in a system that will meet my needs for the next 4+ years.

(For the record, I am still shooting on a 60D so a big part of my hesitancy about this camera is that I have never imagined being in a place where I could drop $3,500 on a body)

 

[neuroanatomist]

How about defining it differently: I had hoped to see Canon include more of the features available at this price point (and below) from other manufacturers. This would increase my confidence that I am continuing to invest in a system that will meet my needs for the next 4+ years.

Yes, that makes perfect sense...if you think sounding reasonable and logical is appropriate. I guess some people prefer to sound irrational and cranky. :-X

 

[scyrene]

Body only: $3,499
Body + 24-105 kit: $4599
24-105: $1,099

Why buy the kit? If my maths is right, it saves no money than buying separately (and actually costs a dollar more).

That's just a ridiculous price policy : : :

Even more ridiculous:
4.065,- € @ Calumet in Germany, body only.
If that's the MRSP and not a first adopter premium we'll have a 27 % price rise over the Mark III (MRSP 3.199,-).
But I don't see any 27 % rise in functionality (don't come with 36 % more MP : ).

So if I'll spend my money in Canon products in the near future it'll be for lenses, if any.

Ever heard of inflation? Ever heard of currency fluctuation? It's not as simple as the price of the older model versus the newer one reflecting improvements in the product. Imagine saying 'I pay 50% more for spaghetti now compared to ten years ago, but it's not 50% more nutritious or delicious!' : Anyway RRP/release price is always higher than most people want. Be patient.

You are right: Things are not so easy. Inflation is a record lows, the euro is more expensive in yen then before and some even say technology advances and make the same produce cheaper every year. A gain in productivity. The computer buissness doubled their processor performance every 2 year for a long time, with prices staying the same.
On the other hand: A company should charge whatever it can get away with. This sum is in a way dependant on the money people have to spend. German consumers certainly haven't had an increase in spending power by the margin Canon upped the price.

Complains and sales figures is the best way to show Canon that this is too much. So it is perfectly reasonable to complain. On the other hand, finding apologies for a multinational companies hiking up price makes no sense. Do you own Canon shares, or why do you defend the pricing?
Complaining gets the price down faster than waiting silently.

Haha, I don't own any shares at all. Nice hint of conspiracy theory there. I'm not defending the price, I'm saying there might be more to it than measuring the performance of the mark III and mark IV and determining the RRP on that basis alone.

Inflation is low but not negligable. The Bank of England's own calculator tells me that £2999 in 2012 is now £3194.

Some technology gets cheaper as time passes, but some things don't. A camera is not a purely technological product. But in any case, almost all aspects of this model are improvements on what came before. Maybe not *enough* for some, but that's a matter of expectations rather than reality.

Complaining can get things done. Complain away! I'm just responding to complaints with a dose of realism.

 

[bchernicoff]

After staying away from this forum for over a year I decided to pop back by to see what people thought of the Mk IV release. I have to say this is one of the worst forums I've ever seen. Do you all ever stop and think about the amount of time and energy you pour into arguing with each other on here about things that are completely inconsequential?

Put the keyboard down, go outside and take some damn pictures!

 

[Etienne]

Am I the only person who likes a video crop? I mean, it would be good to have the option of both of course. But 4k 1.74x crop (or whatever it is) would be great for fairly distant wildlife, especially in low light - less need to attach a teleconverter.

Incidentally, I don't care about RRPs. I've never paid RRP for a camera. Just wait a little. You don't have to get one right now. Just treat this as a pre-announcement, imagine the release is in six months' time, and you're fine.

The crop can be fine, but a one hour video using the 4K codec will require a 256GB CF card. To do a reasonable amount of video you'd need to carry around 1 - 2 TB of CF cards. Then you'd need to manage the data. A 3 day shoot might use up upwards of 8 TB of data. The codec does not play well with Adobe Premiere, so you'd have to transcode it all in order to edit it efficiently.

This would be ok if you don't need fast turn-around and you only need a small amount of 4K footage.

There are other really appealing video features:

DPAF is the only truly useable AF for video from any manufacturer, and with Canon this has truly come of age.
The HDR video option for 1080p might turn out to be a truly unique and valuable feature.
1080p may be really really sharp and colors may be awesome.
Full Frame low light performance and shallow DOF.
The 4K codec will be amazing for pulling 8MP stills from the footage.

And of course, amazing still shots.

 

[Silvertt7]

This is a colossal disappointment. No mention of DR (probably nothing worth mentioning?), the video crop, the HDMI out, the CARDS, the buffer, no spot AF. All the Canon sympathizers I want to remind you that the year is 2016. I am a Canon user by the way. How can one be happy with this news? The Dual pixel thing is all it takes to sway people? It sounds purely like a gimmick/limited use feature.

Sony and Nikon never looked better. Eagerly waiting on A9, A7RIII, and Nikon news.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Sony and Nikon never looked better. Eagerly waiting on A9, A7RIII, and Nikon news.

Yaaa, man...bring on the bloated uncompressed RAW files, the oil spots, and the uber expensive but lower quality native lenses.

 

[davidhfe]

This is a colossal disappointment. No mention of DR (probably nothing worth mentioning?)

Canon has proven with the 1DXII and 80D that they're now competitive in DR. They're not class leading, and so they're unlikely to make a big noise about it ("We're almost as good as the competition!"). If DR is a concern (It's one of mine) wait for retail review samples.

 

[RayValdez360]

I have asked for a non-crippled camera

Well, it's good that you have these forums on which to vent your frustration. While you're at it, you should really stick it to Canon by not buying their crippled camera. That'll show 'em who's boss!

That's actually what some people are doing. The cameras are more than crippled. It's like they cut the limbs off. When another company adds a useful feature it should set a standard that other companies should follow later on. Canon tends to ignore modern advancements and standards set from other brands to bring the consumers only what Canon wants to give. Such as the 5DS should have had wifi for the price point when other brands offer it. 60p 4k on the c300 II when a camera near half the price offers it and does it well. A camera I would get but I feel isn't future proof enough. It's cute that Canon has so much money but that doesn't make my job easier or help me make more money than I could if they offered more features that others offer for cheaper.

 

[RayValdez360]

Why is it so hard to offer a nice codec for 4k like h.265. Didn't samsung do that years ago.

 

[CanonGrunt]

I was ok with them not putting cFast cards in this thing if they were going to at least support UHS-II SD cards. We got neither. Just two older card versions.

 

[Meatcurry]

Really nit-picky, but as a photojournalist that just bought a 1DX mark II and is loving it..

Canon really had to go and put IPTC metadata in the 5D IV and not the 1DX mark II? Like, they couldn't put that in their $6,000 news camera?

I have my own workflow and don't particularly need to change it, but it would have been nice to be able to embed more data in-camera. I really hope they put this in a firmware update to the 1DX mark II.

Looks like,you got your wish!

 

[neuroanatomist]

Really nit-picky, but as a photojournalist that just bought a 1DX mark II and is loving it..

Canon really had to go and put IPTC metadata in the 5D IV and not the 1DX mark II? Like, they couldn't put that in their $6,000 news camera?

I have my own workflow and don't particularly need to change it, but it would have been nice to be able to embed more data in-camera. I really hope they put this in a firmware update to the 1DX mark II.

Looks like,you got your wish!

Really surprising, though...I thought we all knew that Canon doesn't listen to it's customers.

 

[JRPhotos]

Does this use CFFast cards?

 

[neuroanatomist]

Does this use CFFast cards?

No CFast. CF and SD.

 

[Meatcurry]

Really nit-picky, but as a photojournalist that just bought a 1DX mark II and is loving it..

Canon really had to go and put IPTC metadata in the 5D IV and not the 1DX mark II? Like, they couldn't put that in their $6,000 news camera?

I have my own workflow and don't particularly need to change it, but it would have been nice to be able to embed more data in-camera. I really hope they put this in a firmware update to the 1DX mark II.

Looks like,you got your wish!

Really surprising, though...I thought we all knew that Canon doesn't listen to it's customers.

Kudos to Canon for the quick turnaround, looks like Canon aren't doomed after all!