Canon Announces the EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR
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JoeDavid said:
4K is only available with 1.74 crop of center portion. But the biggest issue is the codec: 500 mbps, no h.264 (or h.265), huge file sizes and problems editing without transcoding the footage.
Excellent Preview here by Dan Chung: http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/08/25/hands-on-preview-canon-5d-mkiv-has-4k-internal-recording-with-a-1-74x-crop/
This does not look like a camera for someone who wants to shoot 4K with convenience. Chung calls it a camera for photographers with a video add-on option. In other words, look elsewhere if you want to do a lot of video.
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E said:
I am reading what you are writing.
Canon has not put high-end video functionality in the 5D4
I call it manufacturing to a price point
You see it as them deliberately crippling the product
My comment was highlighting that every manufacturer compromises to meet marketing aims. You don't like those compromises so you can either go with it or buy something else.
Simple fact is they are NOT going to make the 5D4 a high end video option. If you want high end video option buy a high end video camera.
If you were saying 'I would like to have seen...' then that is understandable. Complaining that they have deliberately crippled a product is refusing to accept reality of what they have chosen to produce.
How much would you have been willing to pay for a 5D4 with the video you would like to see?
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davidj said:
I know...the kit pricing w/the new 24-105mm f4.0L makes no sense. None! (At least, as a consumer) I mean, not even a $100USD discount, nada, nothing, zip, nil...!@#$%???? Really. Wow.
The added benefit of buying separately is that you then have complete packaging, etc, for the lens if you decide to sell it in the future.
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FramerMCB said:davidj said:
I know...the kit pricing w/the new 24-105mm f4.0L makes no sense. None! (At least, as a consumer) I mean, not even a $100USD discount, nada, nothing, zip, nil...!@#$%???? Really. Wow.
The added benefit of buying separately is that you then have complete packaging, etc, for the lens if you decide to sell it in the future.
It's actually $1 more to buy the kit than to buy the camera and lens separately.
Evidently Canon's way of killing 'white box' versions on the market. I can see it for the new 24-105 II, but they're taking the same approach with the 24-70/4L IS kit with the 5DIV, whereas with the 5DIII the same lens was $150 less in the kit.
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5D4 looks decent, but I think I'll stick with my 5D3. Nothing really compelling me to upgrade.
Can we now start rumours about what we'd like to see in the 5D5?
Can we now start rumours about what we'd like to see in the 5D5?
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jthomson said:Can we now start rumours about what we'd like to see in the 5D5?
That ship has sailed...
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30588.0
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neuroanatomist said:FramerMCB said:davidj said:
I know...the kit pricing w/the new 24-105mm f4.0L makes no sense. None! (At least, as a consumer) I mean, not even a $100USD discount, nada, nothing, zip, nil...!@#$%???? Really. Wow.
The added benefit of buying separately is that you then have complete packaging, etc, for the lens if you decide to sell it in the future.
It's actually $1 more to buy the kit than to buy the camera and lens separately.
Evidently Canon's way of killing 'white box' versions on the market. I can see it for the new 24-105 II, but they're taking the same approach with the 24-70/4L IS kit with the 5DIV, whereas with the 5DIII the same lens was $150 less in the kit.
And they were almost giving away the 24-70/4L IS with the 7D2 kit.
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rfdesigner said:
Yet another Canon fail, the far more innovative Sony and Nikon have had them for years.
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E said:
It is the concept that every product must including every feature a company can possibly make that isnt legitimate. No company does this and in most cases consumers are happy about this. If VW group had to include the engine from the Bugatti Veyron in every car it makes the VW Up would certainly not cost close to the £9,000 it currently does and would be at least 50 times that. Most people dont want to be paying £0.5m for their next city car.
Companies make products to a price, they consider their other products to ensure they dont canibalise sales, they consider their competitors products/prices (that doesnt mean match), they consider the future path of the product (Canon didnt start working on the 5D Mk4 last month!).
Sometimes you are lucky and something is the ideal sweet spot for you, if absolutely everyone is in that boat then the product designers probably arent doing their jobs too well as they should be trying to get you to look up a model, buying multiple items etc
This is all before we get into topics like planned obscellence etc
rfdesigner said:
The Sale of Goods Act dictates that there must be a "reasonable" life on goods sold. It doesnt define reasonable nor states how it should be worked out.
The Law of Limitations, in England, Wales and NI, is 6 years (its 5 years in Scotland) and so whilst you may reasonably expect that some things may last longer than 6 years you are statute barred from taking action against the retailor for selling you defective goods after that. Hence the often slightly inaccurate statement that the SoGA gives you up to 6 years cover.
There is no legal requirements for goods to be designed to last a minimum of 6 years (nor that they can design inferior products for Scotland with its 5 year limit). It must simply be reasonable and it is reasonable that some items will last less than that (eg budget or bleeding edge items). How reasonable is depends on a host of factors, marketing materials, level of technology etc.
If a new consumer camera clearly stated the shutter lasted 100,000 actuations and yours dies after 3 years and 150,000 actuations then its unlikely you will win any case despite it only be 3 years old.
The other challenge is that after 6 months the onus of proof moves from the retailer to the consumer. Your camera fails after 5 years, you are the one that has to prove that there was an intrinsic fault when the item was sold to you/ that a reasonable life is greater than this rather than the retailer disprove it unlike under the 2 year guarantee of EU law where the onus is always on the retailer to show it was user negligence.
As to Article 50, the SoGA is from 1979, the EU Directive that was passed to enforce a 2 year guarantee was passed in 2011 and was not implemented in the UK because of the fact the SoGA was considered to already give greater protection. Given SoGA is a home gown act why do you think it would change?
As to the 5D Mk4 - agree the upgrades arent as good as they could have been but then I am coming from a 40D and so will be a big enough jump for me but will wait for prices to call and/or a trip to the USA before I take the plunge.
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Mikehit said:
I wouldn't call many of these misses "high end" video options. As times change, trends and technology changes including how people perceive them.
For example, are LED lights, motorized trunk-lids and rear-view cameras considered high end options on a car? 5-10 years ago you would only find them on German luxury cars and that answer would be yes. Nowadays, you can find them on $10,000 cars.
I now consider autonomous driving, autonomous parking, heads-up displays, heated armrests and massage seats high end options.
I currently shoot a lot of video work on Blackmagic equipment. I plan on adding or replacing it with a Red Raven in 2017. One of the headlining specs is 120fps 4.5K RAW (Although at 15:1 compression). I consider that a "high end" video option along with 4K RAW and SDI ouput.
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The problem for the video is that it isnt even and option forr 4k video shooting. THey need to stop using that weird outdated codec. No one is trying to get still from video that badly. to the point where they are filling up memory cards like crazy. Just put c log 1 on these cameras so people can match it with their c100s and c300s to have this as an easy to use B camera.
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Hi,
If "Dual Pixel RAW" can really adjust focus in post and work well as advertised, it might become one of the "No one think they need it, but can't live without it afterward" feature.
Will be great if Canon can also include it in 7D2 via a firmware update... I'll gladly trade 10fps for the ability to adjust focus in post...
Have a nice day.
If "Dual Pixel RAW" can really adjust focus in post and work well as advertised, it might become one of the "No one think they need it, but can't live without it afterward" feature.
Will be great if Canon can also include it in 7D2 via a firmware update... I'll gladly trade 10fps for the ability to adjust focus in post...
Have a nice day.
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Astaroth said:
No, no, NO! As 'E' has tried so hard to explain, he's not asking for every possible feature...only the one feature that he personally cares about. Try to undertand, it doesn't matter that everyone is different and has different needs, so everyone would obviously want that one feature to be a different feature than everyone else, and in the aggregate that would mean including every possible feature. Who cares? 'E' just wants that one thing, and Canon is clearly screwing him but not giving it to him. </sarcasm>
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