Canon Announces the EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR

[rfdesigner]

not true.. durable goods must be designed such that they could resonably be expected to last 6 years (my wording), it's not a warranty. You'd have to have some kind of proof that the goods were not built properly.

...ish

The goods have to last a reasonable amount of time, up to 6 years. The actual duration will vary according to the nature of the goods and their cost. It's all very much a grey area, but a decent supplier won't want to challenge the cost of repair in court. Apple is our poster child, here. They won't volunteer the information, but they'll repair for free within the period for most faults, with most of their goods, if you tell them you want to claim under the Sales of Goods Act. Strictly speaking, the onus is on you to prove that the fault was there from new. In practice, it doesn't seem to be necessary. Thank goodness for over-priced electronics!

thanks.. always hard to recall with total accuracy, worth knowing Apple stand by their products to that extent.

 

[neuroanatomist]

You have to decide whether "Left-side" bokeh is better than "Right-side" ? That's politics. Bokeh is an abstract anyway.

What if "Top-side" or "Bottom-side" bokeh would be better?

That's what rotating the camera 90° is for.

Well, sure...I mean, the directionality of a tiny amount of 'bokeh shift' should always trump one of the biggest factors affecting image composition.

 

[xps]

This is what one competitive rumor site thinks:

"The most popular Full Frame camera series of the world just got a new entry: Canon announced their EOS 5D Mark IV and full specs and pricing can be found at BHphoto, Adorama and Amazon. On paper this camera is a “conservative” evolution of the predecessor. Still I believe Canon will sell tons of that camera in DSLR countries like USA. Probably 4-5 times more than a Sony A7 camera. That’s why I think Sony should target that kind of customer by offering a Sony A7 camera that can match or even beat the autofocus system as I think that’s one of the main strong point of the Canon"
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-got-announced-narrows-gap-shadow-recoverability-canon-sony-sensors/

A7RIII or A9 on Canon 600mm II 4 LIS& 1.4x extender....

 

[Maiaibing]

"Canon tells us the chief requests of 5D owners were more dynamic range and resolution, as well as better AF accuracy and speed."

Wow - Canon reacted to actual user complaints about AF, DR and MPIX!

Cannot wait for the deluge of hate and attacks Canon will get at this forum for pointing to those three areas of key improvement from the 5DIII.

Let the floodgates open!!
:-X

Resolution - check.

AF - check (from the specs, it has to be better)

Dynamic Range - yet to be determined. Although, being a 4 years newer sensor - it will surely be better. The question is, is it competitive with the industry?


I think Canon did a fine job of upgrades for the 5D4.

Absolutely.

However, the dominating claim here was almost exactly the opposite: 5DIII users did not want more MPIX, did not care much about DR and that the 5DIII AF was the best thing since sliced bread.

Nice to have Canon's insight on what users where actually telling them and what were the three key areas for Canon to improve as they developed the 5DIV.

 

[Maiaibing]

WTH would have been so hard about boosting the flash sync speed to 1/250th?

Gave up on this. Same for the 5DS/R. Invested in some LED lights and dropped the $$$ Canon original flash as long as their cameras cannot deliver decent sync speeds.

 

[3kramd5]

You have to decide whether "Left-side" bokeh is better than "Right-side" ? That's politics. Bokeh is an abstract anyway.

What if "Top-side" or "Bottom-side" bokeh would be better?

That's what rotating the camera 90° is for.

Well, sure...I mean, the directionality of a tiny amount of 'bokeh shift' should always trump one of the biggest factors affecting image composition.

I forgot my sarcasm header.

 

[M_S]

Not buying.

Oh no I'm sure Canon will live to regret not being able to satisfy you.....................

An ironic and at the same time quite idiotic response. I guess its of no concern to Canon that this person doesn't buy the camera they just released. In the great sales that wont mean anything. But I guess, that the person felt the need to post it here. So whats wrong with that?

 

[Maiaibing]

Price aside, I find this "dual pixel Raw" a workflow nightmare. You have to decide whether "Left-side" bokeh is better than "Right-side" ? That's politics. Bokeh is an abstract anyway.

Easy if you shoot portrait mode. Then you only have to choose between "upside" and "downside". 8)

 

[M_S]

I wanted 100/120fps in Mark IV.

Fine. You didn't get it. Cry a little, move on. Buy a 5DIV, don't buy a 5DIV. Canon doesn't care.

How about just closing down this forum? Seems to fit those "stop talking about this", "get over it", "Canon won't hear you" bashers quite well I believe...
It isn't the camera some have expected it to be. So they can't even write this in a forum? How worlds have changed....

 

[douglaurent]

hehe it isn't winning any critical acclaim from prior Canon champions...

Well done Philip!

 

[neuroanatomist]

I wanted 100/120fps in Mark IV.

Fine. You didn't get it. Cry a little, move on. Buy a 5DIV, don't buy a 5DIV. Canon doesn't care.

How about just closing down this forum? Seems to fit those "stop talking about this", "get over it", "Canon won't hear you" bashers quite well I believe...
It isn't the camera some have expected it to be. So they can't even write this in a forum? How worlds have changed....

Just as anyone has the right to write what they want (even if it's just saying the same thing 14-times over), anyone else has the right to respond. Or do you disagree? If so, you have the right to say so...or just stop reading and posting.

 

[bitm2007]

The store on Canon's UK website has the 5D IV listed at £3629 (not £3599) with an estimated release date of 08/09/16. That's only 2 weeks away, that's quick for Canon.

 

[Deleted member 378221]

How about just closing down this forum? Seems to fit those "stop talking about this", "get over it", "Canon won't hear you" bashers quite well I believe...
It isn't the camera some have expected it to be. So they can't even write this in a forum? How worlds have changed....

I think people are fed up with all the whiners (not saying you are one of them). The new camera was just announced and already people are slamming it because it does not have their dream feature. In some cases it's a minor thing (focus peaking, if ML can do it why not Canon?), in some cases it's entirely unreasonable (i.e. expected it to have 10fps).
People expect different things, I"m disappointed they didn't include metering at the AF point. But I'm not saying the camera is garbage because of it. Yet some people here do (again, not saying you did). So that's probably where all the hostility is coming from.

Photograhpers online can be a really negative and unpleasant kind of people.

 

[privatebydesign]

Not buying.

Oh no I'm sure Canon will live to regret not being able to satisfy you.....................

An ironic and at the same time quite idiotic response. I guess its of no concern to Canon that this person doesn't buy the camera they just released. In the great sales that wont mean anything. But I guess, that the person felt the need to post it here. So whats wrong with that?

DipS___. Quote the whole post next time. He bought a 1DX MkII instead, so how did Canon, or him, miss out?

Not buying.

Oh no I'm sure Canon will live to regret not being able to satisfy you.....................

Just ordered the 1dx2.

And a home run for the 5D MkIV for Canon yet again.

They know us better than we know ourselves............

 

[tron]

...
However, the dominating claim here was almost exactly the opposite: 5DIII users did not want more MPIX, did not care much about DR and that the 5DIII AF was the best thing since sliced bread.

Nice to have Canon's insight on what users where actually telling them and what were the three key areas for Canon to improve as they developed the 5DIV.

Well it sounds like the 5DIII owners will be perfectly happy to continue using their 5DIII then since they're already in nirvana

It was very nice that Canon improved all of these. All these features/improvements are welcome. The issue (for me) is the EU price difference not the price in US. Plus - although I do know I compare apples to oranges - suddenly pricewise a grey import 1DxII seems almost attractive (minus the bulk size...) compared to a new 5D4...

 

[Maximilian]

That's just a ridiculous price policy : : :

Even more ridiculous:
4.065,- € @ Calumet in Germany, body only.

My first reaction to this was "Die wollen mich wohl verarschen?"
Even if you add 19% German sales tax you end up mathematically at 3,695 €.
What the heck is that additional ~365€ justified by? Translation of camera menu and manual to German, yeah sure...

Maybe because you have 2 years of warranty in germany, instead of 1.

Maybe you should think before you argue.
Because we have had these two years already years before.
So no reason and no argument for such a steep price rise.
And if you look at others complaining about the high prices outside the EU it seems some Canon strategy to milk certain markets more than others.
Because you cannot put everything on exchange rates.

 

[LukasS]

The store on Canon's UK website has the 5D IV listed at £3629 (not £3599) with an estimated release date of 08/09/16. That's only 2 weeks away, that's quick for Canon.

in Poland retailers priced the body at 4600 USD (incl. tax)

 

[E]

You cut out this from my last answer:
"I wasn't demanding the most perfect camera in every aspect ever made, suited to make Hollywood blockbusters."

Still that is the opinion that you are defending Canon against here.

Yes, because if everyone keeps complaining about "just this one feature" you end up with a profesisonal video camera. Maybe not in your case, but the overall consensus seems to be just that. Probably was just unlucky that I quoted your post, I didn't mean to say that you personally requested all those features. But the overall majority of complainers do.

This is pretty much everything you read on forums. Complaining about Canon, with some people having very unrealistic expectations. Maybe not in your case, but my original post was not only referring to your post. Maybe should have made that clear.

Yes, not in my case, and my demands are very reasonable.

And I'm not out to bash Canon in general. I want a Canon DSLR, because I believe Canon is best, but I don't want a DSLR with deliberately crippled video functions. I would have payed for a 1D C Mark II, if that was what it would take.

 

[AlanF]

You have to decide whether "Left-side" bokeh is better than "Right-side" ? That's politics. Bokeh is an abstract anyway.

What if "Top-side" or "Bottom-side" bokeh would be better?

That's what rotating the camera 90° is for.

Well, sure...I mean, the directionality of a tiny amount of 'bokeh shift' should always trump one of the biggest factors affecting image composition.

Please leave Trump out of this. It's bad enough he has recruited Farage to his campaign, Did you know that trump in North of England means fart?

 

[E]

I wanted 100/120fps in Mark IV.

Fine. You didn't get it. Cry a little, move on. Buy a 5DIV, don't buy a 5DIV. Canon doesn't care.

Canon could have done that, without destroying the market. 1 DC existed 2012. 1 DX Mark II exists (regarding slow motion), but Canon has (apparently) crippled the video quality in that one.

I was really pee'd off that Nissan crippled my Qashqai by not including a 3litre v8. After all, it is possible
I was also more than a little miffed that Epson crippled my printer by limiting it to 6 colours instead of 8, even though 8 is perfectly feasible. The miserably twonks
As for my £400 Dell computer...don't get me started. Crippled by only having 6GB RAM instead of 32GB. And a measly i5 processor as well. You would have thought they could have built a better machine for another £50, eh.

Fancy them selling me products that have been designed for a specific audience within a specific price band. Who'da thunk it?

Are you people feeling well? :-\

You're not reading what I'm posting, and you are really rude.