Canon EOS R1 & Canon EOS R5 Mark II announcement coming July 17

[Richard CN]

A9iii is the future, and the best MILC that has been created to date. What the original A9 was for stacked BSI sensors and high speed AF, the A9iii is for global shutter and even better AF.

sure if you like A9III's dynamic range, cooked RAWs and loss of resolution to scratch back some of that DR. Global shutter sensors aren't new.

But what is new is that Sony put in a poorly performing one - something that rather surprised me. I suspect a good one would have cost the bean counters too much.

The A9 III is a story of compromises, and some of them are pretty big. I bring you exhibit A .. the R3 and the A9 III - I'll let YOU figure out which one is which.



Funny how Sony fan boys went from "omg you can't take photos without at LEAST 11EV dr" to "meh, who needs dynamic range anyways?"

 

[Richard CN]

So is that 45mp BSI stacked sensor just coincidentally almost identically spec'd to the Z8/Z9 sensor? Or has Canon decided "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and started to buy Sony sensors?

Guess we'll have to wait for a tear-down to find out with reasonable certainty.

Canon doesn't need a Sony sensor.

 

[Richard CN]

I have to say I find it kind of toxic in this forum that everyone who doens't completely agree with everything that Canon does is imediately classified as a troll. Because even though I would put it into different words, I kind of share the view of Cyborx, that, based on the rumored specs (!), the R5 II sounds more like a R5c II then a huge evolution (or like some youtubers call it a "wow camera") for still photographers.

have you read some of my opinion pieces on this site?

To be frank, for photography, the R5 really needed incremental improvements. What's more to be done - just small features to make life easier for stills photographers. cameras for stills photography are so far into diminishing returns that it's difficult for camera companies to make anything that sounds amazing these days.

The new viewfinder though if it does come, will be revolutionary for at least me - because I like that shooting angle.

 

[amorse]

The new viewfinder though if it does come, will be revolutionary for at least me - because I like that shooting angle.

So tilting viewfinder is on the table? Neat!

 

[Richard CN]

So tilting viewfinder is on the table? Neat!

That's what "da boss" said.

Canon went pretty far into the weeds with the design, so it wouldn't be a great surprise.

 

[frankchn]

Any news on lenses to be launched in the 2nd half? I am still patiently waiting for the 200-500, now that the 35L is launched.

 

[kaihp]

It's ironic that though EF caps don't fit RF lenses, RF caps do fit on EF lenses...in all three orientations. EF caps do have a registration 'dot' on them (two, actually)...maybe Canon thought that users always lined those up with the red dot on the lens and so they didn't see a problem with making that mandatory with RF.

The two dots on the EF caps are a circle for the EF (full-frame) orientation and a square for the EF-S (APS-C, post-10D) orientation to match up with the same symbols on the bodies.

 

[djvideo]

If you don't own an R5 or R3 so far, you surely can wait a bit longer.

Ive waited this long bc canon had no a1 competition. The r3 was suppose to be the r1 bc canon got caught with their pants down when the a1 was released. Ive waited so long bc for 2 years we were lied to about an r1 being just around the corner. Now its here and its not going to be sony a1 competitor. Now i have to worry about canon cripple hammering the r5 mk2.

 

[AlanF]

sure if you like A9III's dynamic range, cooked RAWs and loss of resolution to scratch back some of that DR. Global shutter sensors aren't new.

But what is new is that Sony put in a poorly performing one - something that rather surprised me. I suspect a good one would have cost the bean counters too much.

The A9 III is a story of compromises, and some of them are pretty big. I bring you exhibit A .. the R3 and the A9 III - I'll let YOU figure out which one is which.

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Funny how Sony fan boys went from "omg you can't take photos without at LEAST 11EV dr" to "meh, who needs dynamic range anyways?"

The R3 also has cooked RAW. You have cut off the top of the graph where Claff writes that the down pointing triangles denote this. He has revisited this for the R3 to provide the evidence. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65858159

 

[Del Paso]

have you read some of my opinion pieces on this site?

To be frank, for photography, the R5 really needed incremental improvements. What's more to be done - just small features to make life easier for stills photographers. cameras for stills photography are so far into diminishing returns that it's difficult for camera companies to make anything that sounds amazing these days.

The new viewfinder though if it does come, will be revolutionary for at least me - because I like that shooting angle.

Could you please just give us a tiny little micro hint? Will the tiling EVF come?
I swear Canon will never know you told us!
PS: It would be revolutionary if patented by guess whom (not by Canon)

 

[Anon]

It think Panasonic did it first with their GX7 But that is also quite old already. IIRC it came out in 2013 or so.

 

[David - Sydney]

I think you underestimate the importance of cars in many people's lives.
Your car defines who you are (silly,isn't it?)
Fatties buy sports cars to feel dynanic and young, a bigger car "proves" you are important. With a car, you buy a personality (silly, isn't it?).
I've dealt with so many "important" customers buying "premium" cars as a testimony of their "importance" to take all this circus seriously.
And, during all that time, my wife and me were driving non-premium Renaults, to our fullest satisfaction. No one knew, apart from my collegues ans boss, and they didn't care at all...( My boss had a Lamborghini Diablo!).

Oh, I completely understand the "phenomenon" and each to their own but the anti-EV team are different to the extent of "I hate them"... very strange.

 

[Kit.]

Ive waited this long bc canon had no a1 competition.

Sony had no competition to the R5 before A1 was released, but you did not buy an R5.

The A1 is already 3 years on the market, but you haven't bought an A1 either.

Something tells me that you are not actually in the market for such cameras, and probably Canon suspects that, too.

The r3 was suppose to be the r1

Surely it wasn't. Like EOS R wasn't supposed to be EOS R5 and EOS RP wasn't supposed to be EOS R6.

 

[neuroanatomist]

More made up nonsense from these supposed "Inside sources".

They no nothing more than we do. Stop being so gullible.

Sure, sure. Posting the correct announcement date several days before Canon said anything official was what, then? A lucky guess? Fake news?



You might want to loosen the strap on that red hat a notch or two. It seems to be cutting off circulation to your… Well, never mind. It probably won’t help.

 

[JonasGillmann]

That's what "da boss" said.

Canon went pretty far into the weeds with the design, so it wouldn't be a great surprise.

Would it be reasonable to expect the RF15-35mm Z to be released in 2024 or early 2025?
What do you think will be the next lens after the RF24 1.4 and the RF50 1.4?

Thanks

 

[t.linn]

Canon is only competing with Canon when it comes to the 1 series, they couldn't care less about what anyone else is doing, nor should they.

Is this true though? I've read more than one story about news organizations dropping Canon in favor of Sony. Aren't these agencies the exact target market for the R1?

 

[t.linn]

I know experiences vary according to your iris color and whether you wear thick glasses, etc... but I have a pair of R3s and it is the only way I select AF points on those cameras now.

Just adding this feature alone and keeping everything else the same makes the R5 Mark II a will-buy for me. The stacked sensor and faster fps, etc stuff are bonuses to me.

Twenty years ago, I was shooting with an EOS 3. The eye-controlled focus point selection was worthless. I was surprised when the complaints about the EOS R3 version were largely the same. Perhaps the problem is my deep-set blue/gray eyes.

 

[Del Paso]

Is this true though? I've read more than one story about news organizations dropping Canon in favor of Sony. Aren't these agencies the exact target market for the R1?

There are many reasons why such changes can take place.
One of them, surely not the least one, is $$$$$$$$$$
A company known for paying influencers could certainly use such a resort...
Or do you believe that Hollywood uses car brands for quality reasons and not because they got better conditions?
It's a commercial war in which Canon have grown maybe too self-confident...

 

[t.linn]

There are many reasons why such changes can take place.
One of them, surely not the least one, is $$$$$$$$$$
A company known for paying influencers could certainly use such a resort...
Or do you believe that Hollywood uses car brands for quality reasons and not because they got better conditions?
It's a commercial war in which Canon have grown maybe too self-confident...

Product placement is a poor analogy, IMO, however I don't doubt that financial incentives play a role given the precarious finances of news organizations these days. That said, your response seems to acknowledge that Canon isn't just competing with Canon when it comes to the 1 Series.

 

[Del Paso]

Product placement is a poor analogy, IMO, however I don't doubt that financial incentives play a role given the precarious finances of news organizations these days. That said, your response seems to acknowledge that Canon isn't just competing with Canon when it comes to the 1 Series.

You are misquoting or misinterpreting me.
No, Canon's aim is to produce a successor to the former 1 series model. Sure, competitors exist.
Why should Canon compete with the unripe and unfinished A9III or with a Nikon made by a competitor having a tiny market share?
Why should we forcefully try to see Canon as a follower? No reason for this. Wait for July 17.
Edit: comparing the EOS 3 to the EOS R3 is just absurd.