Canon: No Plans for High Resolution R1

[mmmm]

The angry face was mine and I stand by it.
You have just called me a "keyboard warrior and spec hunter"

I am pretty happy with my photography, and yes I have done it with multiple camera with different specs. With time and experience, I have decided I like high res more than lowe res. So eventually I have bought a MF camera (only 80mp, mind) which, spec wise, is ancient, and actually older than your 5D IV. But I still prefer its output to my R5's. Even if in terms of usability, speed and AF the R5 runs rings around it.

So go on, call me a keyboard warrior and spec hunter.

How come whoever wants high res needs to justify their stance? Becuase that's what you are saying.

And to be clear, if Canon will eventually release a high res R1, I will buy it.

I don't think I was specifically called you a spec hunter or a keyboard warrior, theres a lot of similar posts on here, but I will if you wish.
If you want high MP Canon, then yes, stick with the 5 series, its a great camera and if MP count is your bag, then you're not missing anything from the R1, except FOMO.
If you're berating the R1 for not having a higher MP count, saying you would buy it but if but if, then thats literally a key trait of a keyboard warrior. It's a high spec camera. The highest spec Canon do. I know I know, it should have a million megapixels, so therefore its not a flagship or whatever.

Meanwhile, we're all just happily shooting away with it. You're the one looking at it through a window and wishing.

 

[roby17269]

I don't think I was specifically called you a spec hunter or a keyboard warrior, theres a lot of similar posts on here, but I will if you wish.
If you want high MP Canon, then yes, stick with the 5 series, its a great camera and if MP count is your bag, then you're not missing anything from the R1, except FOMO.

Why can't you grasp a simple concept: there is people that would like a high res camera with the body / viewfinder / AF of the R1. What is wrong with wishing that? Please do explain

If you're berating the R1 for not having a higher MP count, saying you would buy it but if but if, then thats literally a key trait of a keyboard warrior. It's a high spec camera. The highest spec Canon do. I know I know, it should have a million megapixels, so therefore its not a flagship or whatever.

Why do you put words in my mounth? When did I berate the R1? please do enlighten me. Only thing I said is that I am not going to buy it with 24mp. I would buy one with a different sensor. What's so controversial in that statement?
You seem mighty powerful with your keyboard.

Meanwhile, we're all just happily shooting away with it. You're the one looking at it through a window and wishing.

Oh my. I guess me today shooting all day was looking out a window? I guess maybe if you count the viewfinder as a window...

 

[neuroanatomist]

Why can't you grasp a simple concept: there is people that would like a high res camera with the body / viewfinder / AF of the R1. What is wrong with wishing that?

Nothing at all. Canon’s flagship isn’t the camera for you, and that’s fine. There are ample high-MP cameras available, and you bought one and are happy with it. Perfect! Also, no one who’s seen some of your wonderful images would mistake you for a ‘keyboard warrior’.

On the other hand, keyboard warrior is the appropriate descriptor for someone who has dozens of posts arguing that the R1 isn’t a flagship camera but hasn’t posted a single image here. Other descriptors also apply, but they’re not really polite ones.

 

[mmmm]

Why can't you grasp a simple concept: there is people that would like a high res camera with the body / viewfinder / AF of the R1. What is wrong with wishing that? Please do explain

Why do you put words in my mounth? When did I berate the R1? please do enlighten me. Only thing I said is that I am not going to buy it with 24mp. I would buy one with a different sensor. What's so controversial in that statement?
You seem mighty powerful with your keyboard.


Oh my. I guess me today shooting all day was looking out a window? I guess maybe if you count the viewfinder as a window...

There is nothing controversial with anything anyone is saying. But if you want an r5 with the r1 specs, then you need an r1. If you want a higher mp count, then you need an r5. That’s all I’m saying.

Also, apologies for the keyboard warrior comment. I’m a hell of a keyboard warrior when I want to be, as you have noticed.

I truly didn’t mean to tar you with the same brush as others - but posts blur into one sometimes.

 

[mmmm]

On the other hand, keyboard warrior is the appropriate descriptor for someone who has dozens of posts arguing that the R1 isn’t a flagship camera but hasn’t posted a single image here. Other words could apply, but they’re not really polite ones

I have never posted a single image here, mainly mine are client photos, and that’s not particularly agreeable or allowed by the client. So although I’m ‘on your side’ I too must be clumped into that statement. The same thing can be said for both ‘sides’.

That said, I will find something suitable to post - just to put my images where my mouth is.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I have never posted a single image here, mainly mine are client photos, and that’s not particularly agreeable or allowed by the client. So although I’m ‘on your side’ I too must be clumped into that statement. The same thing can be said for both ‘sides’.

That said, I will find something suitable to post - just to put my images where my mouth is.

Except…you’ve offered advice to others, and other value-adding contributions. Not spent months futilely arguing an asinine point. I would not lump you into that category by any means.

 

[mmmm]

Except…you’ve offered advice to others, and other value-adding contributions. Not spent months futilely arguing an asinine point. I would not lump you into that category by any means.

I appreciate you noticing the difference! You’re right of course. I own the thing, and like most that actually own it, like most photographers in general- I don’t care about anything except the images it can enable me to produce. And they’re sublime. These arguments are based on, generally, the opposite. Someone who doesn’t nor would ever own one, and photographers that blame their images on the camera they use. Obviously, in saying that these types of people will just say that I’m trying to justify my purchase. Hence the cycle starts. Nonetheless- it gets my goat when people assume that they are the only one that matters, hence liking to bash away at my phone when I’m bored.

 

[roby17269]

Nothing at all. Canon’s flagship isn’t the camera for you, and that’s fine. There are ample high-MP cameras available, and you bought one and are happy with it. Perfect! Also, no one who’s seen some of your wonderful images would mistake you for a ‘keyboard warrior’.

Thanks! appreciate it

I'm just frustrated with the fact that Canon hasn't yet setup a monthly conference call with me to get my directions for their future products

 

[roby17269]

There is nothing controversial with anything anyone is saying. But if you want an r5 with the r1 specs, then you need an r1. If you want a higher mp count, then you need an r5. That’s all I’m saying.

Also, apologies for the keyboard warrior comment. I’m a hell of a keyboard warrior when I want to be, as you have noticed.

I truly didn’t mean to tar you with the same brush as others - but posts blur into one sometimes.

No biggie, it all got a bit heated is all. No harm no foul
As many, I'm just unhappy that my dear Canon yearly December letters get ignored, it seems

 

[David - Sydney]

It really depends on what one is looking for. If one wants a high resolution, buy a camera with it. There are an awful lot of choices.

Actually, Canon only offers the R5 series with "higher" resolution (including pixel shift). All the others are ~24mp bar the RP with 26mp and R7 with 32mp.
Yes, there are lots of options from other OEMs with 40+mp.

What is clear is that Canon doesn't believe that there is a profitable market for a R5 with an integrated grip/fancy AF controller/ dual CFe cards/etc.
Although they were happy to include the same eye-AF controller and separate AF processor from the R1 series in the R5ii.

Personally, I think that Canon should test the market eg current R5ii or integrated grip R5ii and remove the 3 grips from the range.
I find it weird that they provide the extended battery life, heat management etc options but not putting it all together. An integrated grip R5ii would have a significantly higher price though.

 

[David - Sydney]

Personally I think that a 100mp FF camera sensor is somewhat self-defeating due to diffraction, and maybe Canon think so too.
As a long term 5DS user I can assure you that at f/16 diffraction degrades the resolution to the point where you are no better off than using a lesser system, unless your output is at the maximum size that your pixel count can natively manage, which of course it virtually never is.
F/16 isn’t a greatly used aperture, so the 50mp sensor is OK most of the time, but as the pixel count gets much higher the point at which diffraction has a practical effect will be seen at more commonly used apertures, especially for the likes of landscape, say f/11, which is a commonly used aperture in many areas of photography.

f16 and narrower is very common for macro shooting for depth of field and then stacking the set afterwards.
Perhaps macro it is a niche but I have used it often for long exposure seascapes/waterfalls where I don't have the best ND filter on (either not on me or fast changing light).

f16 is also common for night cityscapes to deliberately take advantage of the diffraction with point light sources (eg street lights) having diffraction spikes. Having the sun in frame eg next to a sharp edge (mountain/building etc) to also induce diffraction spikes.

These might not be common use cases but there are definitely reasons to use f16 and reasons why lenses are almost always capable of narrower apertures.
At the end of the day the final image is always more important than maximising resolution.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Although they were happy to include the same eye-AF controller and separate AF processor from the R1 series in the R5ii.

I thought the R5II got the R3’s eye controlled AF hardware, not the improved version from the R1. I could certainly be wrong about that.

 

[Del Paso]

I thought the R5II got the R3’s eye controlled AF hardware, not the improved version from the R1. I could certainly be wrong about that.

And I was convinced the R5 II got a better eye controlled AF than the R3, but inferior to the R1's.

 

[neuroanatomist]

And I was convinced the R5 II got a better eye controlled AF than the R3, but inferior to the R1's.

Canon uses the same phrases for both the R1 and R5II to describe eye controlled AF improvements relative to the R3. So probably they’re pretty similar if not the same.

I suspect I was thinking of the viewfinder itself – the R5II got the R3’s EVF, the R1’s is significantly improved.

 

[frankchn]

And I was convinced the R5 II got a better eye controlled AF than the R3, but inferior to the R1's.

For me the R3’s ECAF seemed more reliable than the R5II. The R1’s ECAF is more reliable for me than either the R3 or R5II.

But I think this really is a YMMV situation — I’ve read everything from it works perfectly to it doesn’t work at all.

 

[neuroanatomist]

For me the R3’s ECAF seemed more reliable than the R5II. The R1’s ECAF is more reliable for me than either the R3 or R5II.

The R1 has a bigger VF that the other two cameras. That likely means the IR sensors are further apart than in the R5II (Canon’s diagrams support that idea), and that greater separation may result in more accurate eye position detection.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I'm just frustrated with the fact that Canon hasn't yet setup a monthly conference call with me to get my directions for their future products

They do send out surveys from time to time. I’ve gotten several of them over the years.

 

[Swissbob]

They do send out surveys from time to time. I’ve gotten several of them over the years.

In Switzerland it’s different, I haven’t got any surveys in the past 15 years.
But I am not a CPS member.

 

[neuroanatomist]

In Switzerland it’s different, I haven’t got any surveys in the past 15 years.
But I am not a CPS member.

Nor am I. I suspect it’s driven by product registration, here at least.

 

[mmmm]

But I think this really is a YMMV situation — I’ve read everything from it works perfectly to it doesn’t work at all.

Doesn’t even remotely work for me, I have tried and tried.