Here are a couple of images of the EOS R1 and EOS R5 Mark II

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neuroanatomist said:
Fair, and thanks. I guess my point is, position to whom? To me, it seems the target market for the R5II are primarily owners of 5-series DSLRs, and secondarily owners 6-series DSLRs, the EOS R, and R6 owners looking to upgrade. Given Nikon’s market share, I doubt Canon or their marketing department particularly care about them.

So I think your first case above is close to the truth.
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I had thought the same thing with respect to targeting 5D owners rather than R5 owners, but I’m kind of second guessing that based on the rumoured specs and the seemingly video-centric approach. Anecdotally, I’m not sure I believe that a lot of 5D users are hanging on to their bodies for the video capabilities. I would anticipate that 5D owners that had video as a major priority for their workflow would have already upgraded given the significant performance improvement from the 5Div generation to the R5. Putting even more emphasis on video capabilities here may speak more to convincing R5 or R5c owners to upgrade given that those bodies did seem to attract many more video-focused users. Maybe I’ll have a very different impression when this thing goes live, but I struggle to see video improvements as the thing to push a 5D owner to upgrade. As a 5Div user, if you went this long with 5Div video without upgrading, you may not be shooting a lot of video.
 
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amorse said:
I had thought the same thing with respect to targeting 5D owners rather than R5 owners, but I’m kind of second guessing that based on the rumoured specs and the seemingly video-centric approach. Anecdotally, I’m not sure I believe that a lot of 5D users are hanging on to their bodies for the video capabilities. I would anticipate that 5D owners that had video as a major priority for their workflow would have already upgraded given the significant performance improvement from the 5Div generation to the R5. Putting even more emphasis on video capabilities here may speak more to convincing R5 or R5c owners to upgrade given that those bodies did seem to attract many more video-focused users. Maybe I’ll have a very different impression when this thing goes live, but I struggle to see video improvements as the thing to push a 5D owner to upgrade. As a 5Div user, if you went this long with 5Div video without upgrading, you may not be shooting a lot of video.
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Seems like they want to match the competition more than a making a huge upgrade to their current line up and satisfy video users more to maybe stop them from switching to Sony. The rumored specs and designs are barely any different from the R5 and R3. In this economy , how many are willing to spending 4-10k on an incremental update. Gotta feel sorry for photographers that waited this long but the R5 and R3 are still good cameras. Hopefully in 2030 the R1 II and R5 3 will blow them out the water. BUT maybe 6am they can change our minds....
 
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davidhfe said:
I am not sure how Canon is going to justify $4k+ in a world where the Z8 can be had for $3500. On the plus side, makes me think they're confident about the performance at least. And as a counter point, Sony's still getting $6500 for the A1 and this should pretty much blow it out of the water.

Also makes me think there's something to the R6III rumors. Could go upmarket and leave some room below it for an expanded line. Having nothing between a $2000 R6II and a $4000+ R5II seems like a big gap.

Edit: I know this is my personal hobby horse but come on $4k+ and they've leaving the optical AF selector for the R3/R1? That's baloney. You want that price you throw the kitchen sink at it.
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If the R5ii pricing is USD4K+ due to significant improvements then the case to keep the R5 in the current lineup makes good marketing sense.
R&D has been amortised.
Optimal component pricing already built into the current pricing. Any common parts (there has to be some) with the R5ii get additional volume.
Assumed currently good sales of the R5 at the discounted price of USD2900 (and similar discounts globally) = good value for a decent camera and bridges the gap between R6ii and R5ii

Unlikely but even if Canon wanted to compete against the Z8 then the current R5 pricing undercuts it by 20%.

As the R5's current price is under half the A1 or A9iii makes it even better value unless you are in the tiny % of users needing the additional features.
 
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I hadn't actually thought about the R5 hanging out in the lineup for a while. IMO it's still pretty competitive and for all our griping there aren't a ton of 45+mp FF bodies kicking around. And re: positioning, maybe Canon is banking on video shooters/R5c buyers snapping up an 8k60 body. (Which seems absurd to type out given folks were adamant canon couldn't pull of 8k in the OG)

I'm also just a little disappointed as I'd talked myself into a purchase at $3999. I suppose I should chill until the reviews hit anyways.
 
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PGSanta said:
Have to say I'm a little surprised at all the moaning online at the leaked pics of the R5mii. Of course it wasn't going to "look" too different from the R5... IMO that is a GOOD thing; the big changes are hopefully in the GUTS with stacked/BSI sensor, faster processing, IBIS tweaks, etc.
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you are correct ergonomic consistency is a thing.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Fair, and thanks. I guess my point is, position to whom? To me, it seems the target market for the R5II are primarily owners of 5-series DSLRs, and secondarily owners 6-series DSLRs, the EOS R, and R6 owners looking to upgrade. Given Nikon’s market share, I doubt Canon or their marketing department particularly care about them.

So I think your first case above is close to the truth.
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If the R5 stays in the lineup then the case for 5Div upgraders becomes compelling for either R5 or R5ii at either price point. Even though the 5Div is still available for sale, I would estimate that the majority of 5Div users have had them for significantly more than 4 years and are getting worn especially if shutter boxes need replacing.

My R5 is still relatively pristine but I am sure that there are more "used" versions that would need updating every 4 years or so.
My iphone is due for an upgrade this year after 4 years even though there are no marks on it :)
 
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davidhfe said:
I hadn't actually thought about the R5 hanging out in the lineup for a while. IMO it's still pretty competitive and for all our griping there aren't a ton of 45+mp FF bodies kicking around. And re: positioning, maybe Canon is banking on video shooters/R5c buyers snapping up an 8k60 body. (Which seems absurd to type out given folks were adamant canon couldn't pull of 8k in the OG)

I'm also just a little disappointed as I'd talked myself into a purchase at $3999. I suppose I should chill until the reviews hit anyways.
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You haven't seen all the details of the new R5 Mark II. there is much more improved than just a quick JPG image shows.

It's a little early to be jumping to conclusions. The previews will tell you alot, and you have less than 12 hours for them.
 
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davidhfe said:
I hadn't actually thought about the R5 hanging out in the lineup for a while. IMO it's still pretty competitive and for all our griping there aren't a ton of 45+mp FF bodies kicking around. And re: positioning, maybe Canon is banking on video shooters/R5c buyers snapping up an 8k60 body. (Which seems absurd to type out given folks were adamant canon couldn't pull of 8k in the OG)

I'm also just a little disappointed as I'd talked myself into a purchase at $3999. I suppose I should chill until the reviews hit anyways.
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The R6 stayed in the lineup for some time after the R6ii came out. Sony has left older models in the line up for a very long time.
A very small number of users will need 8k60 on R5ii when you can get it on R5c or R5 with 8k30 or 4k120. Firmware updates with raw light and higher temp sensors increases the record time significantly vs the original release.

I have no regrets pre-ordering (reserving with deposit) the R5 4 months in advance of release. Canon Australia did kick in a spare battery, a custom strap (which I sold) and a useless SD card. The current discounted pricing is remarkable though.
 
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Richard CR said:
you are correct ergonomic consistency is a thing.
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it would be wonderful to be able to use the R5ii within the same underwater housing but I suspect that the eye controlled AF will make it impossible even if all the other buttons are the same.
The switch around the mode button is also a significant change unless the red instant record/C3 button remains.
 
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Canon Rumors Guy said:
The accidental leaks were inevitable and we came about a couple of images of the both the EOS R1 and the EOS R5 Mark II with the active cooling grip. I am only posting the EOS R1 rear, as we haven't seen that yet, and the EOS R5 Mark II with the active cooling grip.

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Finally, the R5II can breathe through the vents in the grip. Will it improve the dark currents/hot pixels issue with long exposures as well?..
 
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Quarkcharmed said:
Finally, the R5II can breathe through the vents in the grip. Will it improve the dark currents/hot pixels issue with long exposures as well?..
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Why would hot pixels be impacted?

If google is to be believed, then "In general, for every 6-7 °C the sensor can be cooled, the effects of dark current [hence random noise] are halved."
So the question is whether the grip actually cools lower than ambient temperature or not. I suspect it isn't unless it is a peltier cooler and they are power inefficient. If passive cooling (fan or natural cooling similar to the R5c) then it won't go lower than ambient.
 
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No shutter button on the grip is such a Canon move. Now people have to get both grips if they want cooling if if they want a comfortable experience with when doing photography. Canon must have something against just all in one products. Maybe it's potentially more money but more annoyance to their loyal customers.
 
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Richard CR said:
You haven't seen all the details of the new R5 Mark II. there is much more improved than just a quick JPG image shows.
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Yes, a jpeg image is low dynamic range, it won't show all the dynamic rage of the R5II.
I tried to open the images on my big HDR monitor but still couldn't deduce the dynamic range of the R5II. Which, as we all know, is the most important metric of the camera.
 
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